<div dir="auto">Hi All,<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">In addition to your comment about trucks Warin. There are many rest areas that are for trucks only. I believe there are tags for this so I assume you're not tagging them for the trucking industry just light vehicle rest areas?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Cheers,</div><div dir="auto">A Hughes.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">FWIW: Truck rest areas are quite a contentious issue because truck drivers have legal limits on drive time to manage fatigue and the rest area stops are baked into their journey before they set off. They're understandably none too happy when they get to a rest area that should be dedicated to them for some shut eye only to find it full of caravans or to have caravans making noise (esp. Generators) which doesn't allow them to get the sleep they need. Consequently, its would be good to have a distinction in the data or intentially avoid adding the truck rest areas if all you wanted was light vehicles. :)</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 12 Jan. 2021, 7:36 am Warin, <<a href="mailto:61sundowner@gmail.com">61sundowner@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>Parks tend to be operated by local
councils.</div>
<div>NSW Rest Areas and probably other
states/teritories tend to be operated by the main roads people
(RMS NSW).</div>
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<div>NSW Rest Areas are shown as such on the
DCS Base Map, you do have to zoom in.</div>
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<div>Note that at least some NSW Rest Areas
do not allow long stays e.g. more than 4 hours - specifically
camping. See
<a href="https://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/documents/roads/using-roads/rest-area-parking-restrictions-trial-faq.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/documents/roads/using-roads/rest-area-parking-restrictions-trial-faq.pdf</a>
This comes from several sources - local commercial campsites
loosing business, littering, bad behavior. An excuse is that the
driver found themselves so fatigued they had to stop and rest ..
and slept, should 'work' for an overnight. <br>
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<div>On 11/1/21 9:49 pm, Little Maps wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi Bob, I haven’t mapped these but roadside rest
areas in the NSW Riverina (and presumably elsewhere) have been
mapped in many different ways, so I’m curious to hear people’s
feedback. For example,</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Some in regional towns have been mapped as
leisure=park, name = XXX Rest Area, with toilets etc mapped
separately, e.g.</div>
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<div dir="ltr"><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/294143613#map=18/-36.04168/146.95065" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/294143613#map=18/-36.04168/146.95065</a></div>
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<div dir="ltr">Sometimes the park has been mapped as an area using
leisure=park, and a point has been added with tourism=camp_site,
name = XXX Rest Area, as here:</div>
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<div dir="ltr"><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1811186234#map=19/-35.65033/145.57339" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1811186234#map=19/-35.65033/145.57339</a></div>
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<div dir="ltr">Sometimes tourism=camp_site, name = XXX Rest Area,
has been added as a point beside a service road,</div>
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<div dir="ltr"><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/316588165#map=17/-35.06066/147.05516" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/316588165#map=17/-35.06066/147.05516</a></div>
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<div dir="ltr">And sometimes both highway=rest_area and
tourism=camp_site have both been added at the same place, as
here:</div>
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<div dir="ltr"><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2420391844" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2420391844</a></div>
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<div dir="ltr">So, in practice, tourism=camp_site seems to be used
to identify areas where camping is allowed.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Many rest areas that allow camping in this region
are right beside the highway, not far from it, and I haven’t
seen any distinction between ‘stop over places’ and ‘rest areas’
as such. Cheers Ian</div>
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<blockquote type="cite">On 11 Jan 2021, at 2:48 pm, Bob Cameron
<a href="mailto:bob3bob3@skymesh.com.au" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><bob3bob3@skymesh.com.au></a> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr"><span>Rest areas are generally where one stops
for a while, possibly overnight. Often has bins and is some
distance off the road it services.</span><br>
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<span>Stopping areas are for a brief check of the vehicle,
make phone call etc and are usually just 1-2 lane widths of
paved surface just off the road.</span><br>
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<span>Are these both rest areas? I'd like some guidance on how
to distinguish between them if important.</span><br>
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<span>Tnx</span><br>
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