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<p>Hi Graeme</p>
<p>Admitting ashamedly that I like nothing better than my OSM
mkgmap Garmin GPS device come up with any overnight viable
stopping place nearby.. This of course makes me biased, so I
apologise for that... <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 22/4/21 11:05 am, Graeme
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<div dir="ltr">On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 at 18:46, Bob Cameron <<a
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<div>I was looking at this just a couple of days ago,
so thanks for bringing it up, Bob.</div>
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<div><a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dcamp_site"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dcamp_site</a>
"is used to map a <b>campsite</b> (UK) or <b>campground</b>
(North American): an area, usually divided into a
number of <a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dcamp_pitch"
title="Tag:tourism=camp pitch" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">pitches</a>, where people
can camp overnight using tents, camper vans or
caravans (aka RVs or motorhomes)"</div>
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<div><a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dcaravan_site"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dcaravan_site</a>
"is a place where people with caravans / motorhomes
/ recreational vehicles can stay overnight, or
longer, in allotted spaces known as "pitches" or
"sites" ... They may also have some space for tents.
If a site is primarily for tents, it should be
tagged as <tt dir="ltr"
style="background:rgb(238,238,255) none repeat
scroll 0% 0%;font-size:1em;line-height:1.6"><a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:tourism"
title="Key:tourism" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">tourism</a>=<a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dcamp_site"
title="Tag:tourism=camp site" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">camp_site</a></tt>."
<p>To me, that suggests that camp-site should be
taken to be tents only, & if you've got wheels
of any sort between you & the ground, so car /
camper trailer / caravan / motorhome etc, it
should be a caravan-site?</p>
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<p>I find it quite frustrating to see a caravan_site and camp_site
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I delete one or the other .. depending on how I see tents there. If
it is mainly for caravans then it goes to caravans. <br>
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<p>I get the impression that caravan_site is in fact a subset of
camp_site and that table list tags under it (camp_site) would
cover any caravan use. One major difference is that the wiki
also lists toilets/showers as keys rather than just relying in
amenity, whereas caravan_site doesn't. Perhaps it is inferred?</p>
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<p>I think the sub keys under camp/caravan site simply make later
searches for them easier to get the amenities rather than the
program having to search the area (enclosed .. or if it is a node
then some area around the node). <br>
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<p>I tend to add individual amenity:toilet, amenity:shower etc as
many camping areas make these facilities available for non
campers, sometimes with a fee. It is not so common with more
commercial caravan parks, some even refuse to sell a (paid)
shower from the insurance liability standpoint. The same kind of
variation happens with coin-op laundries at caravan parks. <br>
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<p>Pubs also can offer showers ... depending on where you are (+how
you look and how they feel). Some roadhouses have showers too,
mainly for truckers. <br>
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<p>I'd actually like to see the use of caravan_site discouraged
but that's probably more my bias peeking through.. Would some
fast query coder please get me the number of au camp_site and
caravan_site objects please. <br>
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