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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 22/4/21 9:05 pm, Bob Cameron wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">OSM maps 'official' sites.. where you can
stay 'legally'. As far as I know. At least those are the ones I
add/detail.
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I remember a discussion (here) on the mapping of unofficial NP
walking tracks some time ago, that OSM data should be reflecting
people reality. Should overnight places work the same? I don't
know about other countries but there are already a lot of au
databases that list quite obscure places.
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<p>:) Obscure I like. <br>
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<p>In NSW NP you can camp 'anywhere' (restrictions for 'wilderness'
areas) provided you are x km from a road. That said I would not
map those entire areas as a camp site. <br>
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<p>The problem is that people will 'see' the 'camp site' on their
cell phone and use it thinking that it is fine to use. <br>
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<p>If many people go camping where I camp there will be problems ..
particularly if they are not discrete about it. <br>
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<blockquote type="cite">I would use another tag .. as it applies
to all that stay there, tent/car/caravan/trailer_tent etc
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e.g.
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self_contained=yes - where self contained is required but you
don't have any other details
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self_contained=grey- where self contained is required and grey
water disposal is provided
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self_contained=black - where self contained is required and
black water disposal is provided
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self_contained=green - where self contained is required and no
disposal of waste water is provided
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self_contained=no - default ... No self contained requirement.
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Looks good, Pardon my ignorance, but is this something that can be
put in place by common au assent and in tagging guidelines wiki? I
don't know how "proposals" work.
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<p>The 'proposal process' is supposed to get 'common assent'.
However look at it as getting more feedback on the idea and how to
tag it. <br>
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<p>See <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposal_process">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposal_process</a></p>
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<p>Note: I should add the tagging of refrigerator=yes for those
campsites with a communal refrigerator. <br>
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<blockquote type="cite">OSM "Any tag you like" ... but best to
have an idea of how it fits with other tags and how many places
would use it. If it does not 'fit' and 'not numerous' someone
could delete it.
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Not to mention those that render/use the data not happy with it.
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I don't think they care -if they don't use it that can get thrown
out in the first stage of pre processing.<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">OSM data .. as an attempt to get people to
improve campsite tagging.
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Much like other quality assurance tools such as 'keep_right'
etc.
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Also means one has to be careful to not change the current data
layout.
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So it uses the camp_site sub list tags. I presume it doesnt show
caravan_site objects?
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It shows caravan sites... at least it shows one of them I know of. <br>
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I had a look at two of my camp_site entries (Florida Rest Areas -
east of Cobar and Meadow Glen Rest Area - west of Cobar) and note
that despite the same completed tags the Florida detail is blank.
Wonder why?
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<p>If you click on the little 'bug' you get <br>
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<li>Site should be mapped as area instead of node.</li>
<li>Tag <b>tents</b> is missing<br>
(tag if tents are allowed/not allowed).</li>
<li>tag <b>caravans</b> is missing<br>
(tag if caravans are allowed/not allowed).</li>
<li>No contact information (website, phone, email) given</li>
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Once the maxstay and self_contained questions can be resolved I
can get stuck into adding all the tags needed.. Looks really good!
I assume I can show non OSM mappers this?
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Certainly. <br>
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