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It’s ok I knew them all off the top of my head, the gps coordinates are different they are not copied. The list I posted from the . Gov site was only a memory reference and as you can see from the map on the other .gov site they do not match up with gps coordinates
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1. Re: Which street to use? (Graeme Fitzpatrick)<br>
2. Re: South Australia Speed Cameras (Daniel O'Connor)<br>
3. Re: Which street to use? (Jonathon Rossi)<br>
4. Re: Which street to use? (Joseph Guillaume)<br>
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Message: 1<br>
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 16:08:02 +1000<br>
From: Graeme Fitzpatrick <graemefitz1@gmail.com><br>
To: Kim Oldfield <osm@oldfield.wattle.id.au><br>
Cc: OSM-Au <talk-au@openstreetmap.org><br>
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Which street to use?<br>
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Thanks!<br>
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 at 14:41, Jonathon Rossi <jono@jonorossi.com> wrote:<br>
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> If you parked on the street as a guest or delivery driver, which street<br>
> could and/or should you enter the house via? Where is the mailbox?<br>
><br>
> Sounds like it is on West Street with no entrance from East St?<br>
><br>
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Some of the East St houses have their driveway off West St, with just a<br>
person gate actually on East St. Some of them have a driveway on both!<br>
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 at 14:56, Kim Oldfield via Talk-au <<br>
talk-au@openstreetmap.org> wrote:<br>
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> When I've mapped addressees I've added a node where the driveway enters<br>
> the property. This has two advantages: it's easy to add when doing a street<br>
> survey (unlike mapping a building or property boundaries), and when<br>
> navigating to the property the driveway is usually where you want to go.<br>
><br>
> In your situation this means a node near West St tagged with 135 East St.<br>
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That's what I was thinking would be the best way.<br>
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Same with battle-axe blocks when the actual house is well back from the<br>
road, at the end of a long driveway - put the node at the street end of the<br>
driveway, not the actual house.<br>
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Thanks<br>
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Graeme<br>
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Message: 2<br>
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 15:51:15 +0930<br>
From: "Daniel O'Connor" <daniel.oconnor@gmail.com><br>
To: OSM-Au <talk-au@openstreetmap.org><br>
Subject: Re: [talk-au] South Australia Speed Cameras<br>
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While it's unfortunate that we'll probably have to revert these unless<br>
permission is granted beyond the CC BY 3.0/4.0 it seems to be licenced<br>
under, it's a worthwhile dataset to try and collect.<br>
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We do have a lot of mapillary imagery, which is concentrated on major roads:<br>
<a href="https://www.mapillary.com/app/?pKey=2HbJuQpe6LbgU0CcssZ0Ig&focus=photo">https://www.mapillary.com/app/?pKey=2HbJuQpe6LbgU0CcssZ0Ig&focus=photo</a><br>
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With the 'map features' plugin, it does detect some of the traffic cameras.<br>
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Is there value in transforming the data we can't use into notes/a shared<br>
spreadsheet and treating that as a prompt to check other sources? From the<br>
looks of it, there are... under 200 cameras? That seems within reach to<br>
crowdsource.<br>
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On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 8:54 AM Graeme Fitzpatrick <graemefitz1@gmail.com><br>
wrote:<br>
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> On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 at 17:14, Anthony Panozzo <panozz@outlook.com> wrote:<br>
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>> Ok maybe try replying to the au-talk email instead of my private email, I<br>
>> am blocking your email from contacting me directly<br>
>><br>
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> Sorry again, Anthony, but I have been, as per:<br>
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> *From:* Graeme Fitzpatrick <graemefitz1@gmail.com><br>
>> *Sent:* Monday, 26 April 2021 4:40 PM<br>
>> *To: Anthony Panozzo <panozz@outlook.com <panozz@outlook.com>>; OSM-Au<br>
>> <talk-au@openstreetmap.org <talk-au@openstreetmap.org>>*<br>
>><br>
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> A peculiarity of the way the Au mailing list has been set up is that, if<br>
> you only click "Reply" your message only goes to the sender, not the list.<br>
> If you click "Reply-All", it will go to both, but you should only get one<br>
> copy of the message.<br>
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> Thanks<br>
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> Graeme<br>
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> *Subject:* Re: [talk-au] South Australia Speed Cameras<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 at 12:29, Anthony Panozzo <panozz@outlook.com> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> It’s from the government, can’t see why not, a lot of them I added from<br>
>> personal knowledge and just used the .gov link to keep track of which ones<br>
>> I have added and not, here is a link to every speed camera on OSM in<br>
>> Australia <a href="http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/10NY">http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/10NY</a> you can export them as gpx etc<br>
>> to use on your gps<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Sorry Anthony, I agree that that would make sense, but just because it's<br>
>> a Govt Dept, doesn't automatically mean that they will allow us to use<br>
>> their data :-(<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> If it's not listed in the Oz Data Catalogue<br>
>> <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_data_catalogue">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_data_catalogue</a>, then you<br>
>> would need to contact them & get their OK, together with a waiver, before<br>
>> using any of their info.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Thanks<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Graeme<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> *From:* Graeme Fitzpatrick <graemefitz1@gmail.com><br>
>> *Sent:* Monday, 26 April 2021 11:44 AM<br>
>> *To:* Anthony Panozzo <panozz@outlook.com><br>
>> *Cc:* talk-au@openstreetmap.org<br>
>> *Subject:* Re: [talk-au] South Australia Speed Cameras<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 at 11:31, Anthony Panozzo <panozz@outlook.com> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Over the last month I have gone through every single speed camera from<br>
>> this list SAPOL - Traffic camera locations (police.sa.gov.au)<br>
>> <<a href="https://www.police.sa.gov.au/your-safety/road-safety/traffic-camera-locations">https://www.police.sa.gov.au/your-safety/road-safety/traffic-camera-locations</a>><br>
>> (fixed camera locations) and Speed Cameras | Lead to Safer Roads |<br>
>> Government of South Australia<br>
>> <<a href="https://www.speedcameras.sa.gov.au/#camera-locations">https://www.speedcameras.sa.gov.au/#camera-locations</a>> and added them<br>
>> all, I made a excel spreadsheet which has the OSM positions too.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Sorry to be a pain, Anthony, but do we actually have permission to use<br>
>> that info, together with waivers?<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Thanks<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Graeme<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
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Message: 3<br>
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 18:27:35 +1000<br>
From: Jonathon Rossi <jono@jonorossi.com><br>
To: Graeme Fitzpatrick <graemefitz1@gmail.com><br>
Cc: OSM-Au <talk-au@openstreetmap.org><br>
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Which street to use?<br>
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On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 4:12 PM Graeme Fitzpatrick <graemefitz1@gmail.com><br>
wrote:<br>
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> On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 at 14:41, Jonathon Rossi <jono@jonorossi.com> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> If you parked on the street as a guest or delivery driver, which street<br>
>> could and/or should you enter the house via? Where is the mailbox?<br>
>><br>
>> Sounds like it is on West Street with no entrance from East St?<br>
>><br>
><br>
> Some of the East St houses have their driveway off West St, with just a<br>
> person gate actually on East St. Some of them have a driveway on both!<br>
><br>
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Is this similar to Sydney and Melbourne terraces with a narrow<br>
alley/laneway behind them for residents to access their garages, while<br>
guests and deliveries come through the official street address via a gate<br>
or door? Not always the case with modern laneway developments though.<br>
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I'd put the address node closest to the highway that a courier or pizza<br>
delivery driver would need to use, with the mailbox often being a clue if<br>
you can't work it out.<br>
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-- <br>
Jono<br>
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 19:01:58 +1000<br>
From: Joseph Guillaume <josephguillaume@gmail.com><br>
To: OSM-Au <talk-au@openstreetmap.org><br>
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Which street to use?<br>
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To add another opinion, I would use the mailing address (letterbox) and<br>
place the address on the (main) building.<br>
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My motivation is that the address is just a label - it doesn't need to<br>
indicate preferred access route, and the map should not favour car over<br>
pedestrian access.<br>
Routing should (eventually?) account for driveways and multiple entrances<br>
if that's the issue.<br>
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2021, 6:32 pm Jonathon Rossi, <jono@jonorossi.com> wrote:<br>
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> On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 4:12 PM Graeme Fitzpatrick <graemefitz1@gmail.com><br>
> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 at 14:41, Jonathon Rossi <jono@jonorossi.com> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> If you parked on the street as a guest or delivery driver, which street<br>
>>> could and/or should you enter the house via? Where is the mailbox?<br>
>>><br>
>>> Sounds like it is on West Street with no entrance from East St?<br>
>>><br>
>><br>
>> Some of the East St houses have their driveway off West St, with just a<br>
>> person gate actually on East St. Some of them have a driveway on both!<br>
>><br>
><br>
> Is this similar to Sydney and Melbourne terraces with a narrow<br>
> alley/laneway behind them for residents to access their garages, while<br>
> guests and deliveries come through the official street address via a gate<br>
> or door? Not always the case with modern laneway developments though.<br>
><br>
> I'd put the address node closest to the highway that a courier or pizza<br>
> delivery driver would need to use, with the mailbox often being a clue if<br>
> you can't work it out.<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Jono<br>
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