<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, 14 Aug 2021 at 09:12, Tom Brennan <<a href="mailto:website@ozultimate.com">website@ozultimate.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Like my previous post on sidewalks, this one is also from walking and <br>
cycling all of the streets of my LGA (Willoughby). The other area where <br>
tagging seems to me to be a bit messy is:<br>
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highway=service<br>
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This messiness may be more of a general OSM issue than specifically an <br>
Australian one!<br>
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Where possible I've been trying to add a service=? tag to define these <br>
better, in line with the relevant pages on the wiki. In my area, the <br>
majority of these seem to be:<br>
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1. laneways between houses -> service=alley<br>
For me these are part of the official road network, but in Willoughby <br>
they are normally narrow, and lead to/past people's garages. This one <br>
seems relatively clear cut - and also appears to be the only service tag <br>
that does relate to the official road network(?)<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yeah I'd agree, but these are part of the public road network, they are just lesser importance roads because they are mostly for access to the rear of houses.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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2. driveways (private property) -> service=driveway + access=private<br>
This seems pretty clear cut in residential areas. It also seems fairly <br>
clear for small business/industrial property that are for <br>
employees/business vehicles only.<br>
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Where it gets a bit confusing is if the driveway is to something else. <br>
For example, in the Willoughby area, there are many industrial complexes <br>
which have "driveways". But if it leads to parking (amenity=parking?), <br>
is it still a driveway, or is it just highway=service without service=*. <br>
The access=* issues also interplays with this - because in larger <br>
industrial complexes there may be a mix of access=private and <br>
access=customers.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Can you post examples? In my opinion, a good rule of thumb for driveway is where you need to turn off the road and cross the footpath. I realise it's not always clear though.</div><div><br></div><div>Technically only the section inside the front fence is private, the section between the footpath and road is public but I've never mapped to this level of detail.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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3. parking areas<br>
This one can also be a bit confusing - following the wiki, some of these <br>
end up being service=parking_aisle, but others are without service=* eg:<br>
<a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=19/-33.80928/151.20897" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=19/-33.80928/151.20897</a><br>
I imagine you can do in theory do an area query to establish <br>
highway=service within amenity=parking, but this does seem clunky!<br>
And not that we should be mapping for the renderer, but the rendering <br>
also seems inconsistent:<br>
<a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/-33.80939/151.20923" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/-33.80939/151.20923</a></blockquote><div><br></div><div>If you can turn from the way directly into a parking spot, then it should be parking aisle, so that one I think should be parking aisle.</div></div></div>