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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Well, that pretty much matches what I said before:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Anything that remotely looks like a footpath (is meant for people to walk on) is, in the absence of one of the 4 (3 + one mirrored) official signs I linked, a footpath.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>It is not in any way limited to things that would be tagged as “sidewalk” in OSM.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>e.g. take this example from my local neighbourhood: <a href="https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/558999688670609448/889134418067881994/unknown.png">https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/558999688670609448/889134418067881994/unknown.png</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>In the absence of any signs saying otherwise (spoiler, there aren’t in this case) all of these are “footpaths” as defined by law.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> Kevin Pye <kevin.pye@gmail.com> <br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, 19 September 2021 22:09<br><b>To:</b> forster@ozonline.com.au<br><b>Cc:</b> osm.talk-au@thorsten.engler.id.au; OpenStreetMap <talk-au@openstreetmap.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [talk-au] Suspicious amount of removed bicycle tags<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=MsoNormal>Hi all<br><a href="http://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/consol_reg/rsrr2017208/s250.html" target="_blank">http://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/consol_reg/rsrr2017208/s250.html</a><br>ROAD SAFETY ROAD RULES 2017 - REG 250<br>says "Footpath is defined in the dictionary" but it doesn't say which <br>dictionary.<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>"The dictionary" is the dictionary in schedule 5 pf the Road Safety Road Rules -- <a href="http://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/consol_reg/rsrr2017208/sch5.html">http://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/consol_reg/rsrr2017208/sch5.html</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The definition there is fairly broad: ""footpath", except in <a href="http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/consol_reg/rsrr2017208/s13.html">rule 13(1)</a>, means an <a href="http://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/consol_reg/rsrr2017208/s350.html#area">area</a> open to the public that is designated for, or has as one of its main uses, use by pedestrians"<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Not particularly helpful.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sun, 19 Sept 2021 at 21:44, <<a href="mailto:forster@ozonline.com.au">forster@ozonline.com.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=MsoNormal>> In regards to your changeset comment: "I doubt that means that all <br>> paths are footpaths unless otherwise signed."<br>> Generally speaking, yes, they are. In the absence of one of these signs<br><br>Hi all<br><a href="http://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/consol_reg/rsrr2017208/s250.html" target="_blank">http://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/consol_reg/rsrr2017208/s250.html</a><br>ROAD SAFETY ROAD RULES 2017 - REG 250<br>says "Footpath is defined in the dictionary" but it doesn't say which <br>dictionary.<br><br>Apparently the word "footpath" is used differently in different <br>countries. In Australia it means a US "sidewalk".<br>"A sidewalk (North American English), pavement (British English), <br>footpath (Oceanian English), or footway, is a path along the side of a <br>road."<br><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidewalk" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidewalk</a><br><br>This is what my understanding of the footpath rule is in Victoria <br>Australia, don't ride on the path that runs between the property line <br>and the kerb.<br><br>That's not we are talking about here<br>ways 157071087 and 304507133 intersection<br><a href="https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=-37.923613888889015&lng=145.32910000000004&z=17&pKey=941113219764485&focus=photo" target="_blank">https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=-37.923613888889015&lng=145.32910000000004&z=17&pKey=941113219764485&focus=photo</a><br><br>So I disagree with the suggestion that all paths are, for legal <br>purposes, footpaths unless otherwise signed.<br><br>Tony<br><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Talk-au mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Talk-au@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">Talk-au@openstreetmap.org</a><br><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div></body></html>