<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hi Kim,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Some of the feedback I have received relates to changing shared paths to footpaths. According to the access restrictions listed on (<a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_tags_for_routing/Access_restrictions#Australia" class="">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_tags_for_routing/Access_restrictions#Australia</a>) this would by default not permit bicycles - I agree with this approach. However not all foot paths are correctly tagged as there are many instances where they have footpaths =yes, which is incorrect for Victoria.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class="">
<div style="font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><font color="#000000" class="">In the other link you shared (</font><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Good_practice#Verifiability" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-weight: normal;" class="">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Good_practice#Verifiability</a><font color="#000000" class="">) its clearly says "</font><span style="color: rgb(32, 33, 34); font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-weight: normal; caret-color: rgb(32, 33, 34); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""> </span><span style="color: rgb(32, 33, 34); font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; caret-color: rgb(32, 33, 34); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><b class="">Do not enter incorrect data just because it will help a map renderer, a navigation system or some other data consumer which has problem with the correct data</b></span><font color="#202122" face="sans-serif" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(32, 33, 34); font-size: 14px;" class="">”</span></font><font color="#000000" class="">. </font></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">The problem I have raised relates to incorrect data in OSM that is causing to map renderers to work incorrectly, and as a result I have been fixing data accordingly. This is inline with the OSM guidelines.</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""></div>
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 3 Oct 2021, at 4:35 pm, Kim Oldfield via Talk-au <<a href="mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org" class="">talk-au@openstreetmap.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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On 3/10/21 9:13 am, Sebastian Azagra via Talk-au wrote:<br class="">
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<span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class="">In my view, some of the data in OSM
is incorrect as a footpath will some times have permission
bicycle=yes which is incorrect. The majority of the time allowed
access will have bicycle=unspecified (not defined)which I think
is fine.</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class="">
<span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class="">The issue is that cycling software,
apps and gps units used by cyclist takes information from OSM
and then creates a route based on the permission assigned to the
road/path in OSM.</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class="">
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In Victoria cycling is not allowed on most footpaths (for most
adults). The is defined in the wiki at <br class="">
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_tags_for_routing/Access_restrictions#Australia">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_tags_for_routing/Access_restrictions#Australia</a><br class="">
and more formally in OSM at
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2316741">https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2316741</a><br class="">
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As far as I'm concerned, routing software should be using these as
part of the decision on when to route bikes down footpaths. Any
software which ignores these should be have a bug report logged. We
should not tag all footpaths with bicycle=no just for software which
doesn't understand the defaults already configured in OSM.<br class="">
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It looks like Thosten Engler[*] has just said the same thing.<br class="">
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[*] Is that the name of the person using
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:osm.talk-au@thorsten.engler.id.au">osm.talk-au@thorsten.engler.id.au</a>? You don't appear to have used a
name in your email so I'm guessing based on your email domain, but
as domains often get used by multiple people there is no guarantee
that I'm right.<br class="">
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Regards,<br class="">
Kim<br class="">
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