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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72" style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>Hi Folks,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>In this case the user name of NTCA is a bit of a hint. Took me a couple of minutes to find this group<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://www.facebook.com/nerangtrailcare/">https://www.facebook.com/nerangtrailcare/</a> - Nerang Trail Care Alliance<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>In this case I would agree with the deletions<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Cheers - Phil<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'> osm.talk-au@thorsten.engler.id.au <osm.talk-au@thorsten.engler.id.au> <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, 29 October 2021 2:05 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'OSM Australian Talk List' <talk-au@openstreetmap.org><br><b>Subject:</b> [talk-au] "Removing closed or illegal trails." (in Nerang National Park)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/112722497">https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/112722497</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>“Removing closed or illegal trails. Tidy up of Fire Roads and places”<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>My opinion on the topic is:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>If it exists on the ground, it gets mapped. If there is no legal access, that's <span style='font-family:Consolas'>access=no</span> or <span style='font-family:Consolas'>access=private</span>. If it's a path that has been created by traffic where it's not officially meant to go, it's <span style='font-family:Consolas'>informal=yes</span>.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>That seems to be in line with the previously established consensus on the list here: <a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2019-September/012863.html">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2019-September/012863.html</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I have no local knowledge of the area and am not really invested in this one way or another, but I feel that paths that verifiably physically exist on the ground (which I assume these are) shouldn’t be simply deleted. If access is legally prohibited in some way, then the tags should reflect that, not the way simply being deleted.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>What’s the general opinion about this?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Thorsten<o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>