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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>With the caveat that the access tags should reflect legal basis of access, not physical suitability or actual usage.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>If the path in question is not legally allowed for motorcycle, then don’t tag motorcycle=yes, even if it’s physically possible and people (illegally) use it that way.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>If you want to indicate that a path or track is physically not wide enough for larger vehicles, just tag width=* (to specify the width of the path on the ground) or maxwidth:physical=* (to specify the maximum physical width of a vehicle that fits through) on it (but not maxwidth=*, as that implies that there is a legally defined limit).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>While not widely used, you might also use access tags with :physical suffix, e.g. motorcycle=no + motorcycle:physical=yes<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Thorsten<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> Graeme Fitzpatrick <graemefitz1@gmail.com> <br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, 30 October 2021 12:17<br><b>To:</b> EON4wd <info@eon4wd.com.au><br><b>Cc:</b> iansteer@iinet.net.au; OSM-Au <talk-au@openstreetmap.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [talk-au] "Removing closed or illegal trails." specifically motor bikes<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I would have thought highway=track would have been good, but that page is quite adamant that a "track" is for 4-wheel vehicles, & anything smaller is supposed to be a highway=path.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:highway%3Dtrack#use_for_narrow_paths">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:highway%3Dtrack#use_for_narrow_paths</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>They also say that specifying motor-bike, but not car is done via access=*, but don't suggest just how!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I'm guessing highway=path + motor_vehicle=no + motorcycle=yes?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Graeme<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sat, 30 Oct 2021 at 11:46, EON4wd <<a href="mailto:info@eon4wd.com.au">info@eon4wd.com.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>That would be logical, but motor bikes are classified as a vehicle and are the only ones using this ‘path’ which ends up being mapped as a track via the satellite picture.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Path does not imply motor bikes. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Legally it is allowed to be used as a path, but motor vehicles are not allowed.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The motor bike tracks would be difficult to use as a walking track and also for a bicycle.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>If the tracks were reclassified as a path, it would at least show something that is on the ground plus also imply that it is not allowed for vehicles.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>What if the motor bike track is legal, how would you then classify the track if it is not wide enough for any car?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Thanks Ian<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm;border-color:currentcolor currentcolor'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> <a href="mailto:iansteer@iinet.net.au" target="_blank">iansteer@iinet.net.au</a> <<a href="mailto:iansteer@iinet.net.au" target="_blank">iansteer@iinet.net.au</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, 30 October 2021 11:11 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">talk-au@openstreetmap.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [talk-au] "Removing closed or illegal trails." (in Nerang National Park)</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m-2164092898223533293msoplaintext>I’ve always mapped a track that’s not wide-enough for a vehicle as a path.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m-2164092898223533293msoplaintext> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m-2164092898223533293msoplaintext>Ian<o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m-2164092898223533293msoplaintext> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m-2164092898223533293msoplaintext> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m-2164092898223533293msoplaintext>Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2021 10:19:36 +1100<o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m-2164092898223533293msoplaintext>From: "EON4wd" <<a href="mailto:info@eon4wd.com.au" target="_blank">info@eon4wd.com.au</a>><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m-2164092898223533293msoplaintext>To: <<a href="mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">talk-au@openstreetmap.org</a>><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m-2164092898223533293msoplaintext>Subject: Re: [talk-au] "Removing closed or illegal trails." (in Nerang<o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m-2164092898223533293msoplaintext> National Park)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m-2164092898223533293msoplaintext>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:000001d7cd1b$70f144b0$52d3ce10$@eon4wd.com.au" target="_blank">000001d7cd1b$70f144b0$52d3ce10$@eon4wd.com.au</a>><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m-2164092898223533293msoplaintext>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m-2164092898223533293msoplaintext> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m-2164092898223533293msoplaintext>>>Question ? how to map a track that is only wide enough for a motor bike. There is a track width tag but it doesn?t seem appropriate. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>Talk-au mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Talk-au@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">Talk-au@openstreetmap.org</a><br><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div></body></html>