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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">My User name is Slice0 and I was the one who made the mass edit to Upgrade the Bus Stop nodes to current standards.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">I did not bring it up for discussion here because it has already been discussed and approved
</span><a href="https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/8760#issuecomment-948196855">validator could consider a `public_transport=platform` way as routable · Issue #8760 · openstreetmap/iD · GitHub</a> and voted on , my thought process was why do I need
to discuss it here when it has already been discussed, the DWG user who reverted my changed never fully looked into this. He acted purely on the advice from Ds5rUy and should have this ability taken away and given to someone who is more objective, if that
vote and discussion I linked out weighs <span lang="EN-GB">and talk here then he is 100% wrong and made 54700 wrong edits</span></p>
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1. Re: Undiscussed, undocumented mass edit across all of<br>
Australia. (osm.talk-au@thorsten.engler.id.au)<br>
2. Re: Undiscussed, undocumented mass edit across all of<br>
Australia. (Andrew Harvey)<br>
3. Re: New blogs on unsealed roads in Victoria<br>
(forster@ozonline.com.au)<br>
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Message: 1<br>
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 18:01:18 +1000<br>
From: <osm.talk-au@thorsten.engler.id.au><br>
To: "'OSM-Au'" <talk-au@openstreetmap.org><br>
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Undiscussed, undocumented mass edit across all<br>
of Australia.<br>
Message-ID: <055401d80853$c0830770$41891650$@thorsten.engler.id.au><br>
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Warin,<br>
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nobody says that the tagging isn't correct for cases where the bus_stop node<br>
is the only thing there is.<br>
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But please look at:<br>
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<a href="https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/471231032645910529/931072496403370014">https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/471231032645910529/931072496403370014</a><br>
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<a href="https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/471231032645910529/931073576893825064">https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/471231032645910529/931073576893825064</a><br>
/unknown.png<br>
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This is a relatively normal bus stop. It clearly DOES have a distinct<br>
platform. In which case the platform should be tagged on the area. <br>
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Even if someone decides that's too much work and decides to only to map the<br>
bus_stop node and throw the platform tag onto that, that's fine as long as<br>
it happens on a case by case basis.<br>
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<br>
The issue is that this is an automated mass edit, where the user loaded all<br>
highway=bus_stop nodes in Australia into JOSM via an overpass query, then<br>
unconditionally added the platform tag to all of them (even ones that might<br>
have already tagged a platform on an area close by), and committed these<br>
changes.<br>
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<br>
Furthermore, the user in question was specifically pointed to the Automated<br>
Edit Code of Conduct before making that change and wilfully ignored the<br>
process:<br>
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<a href="https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/471231032645910529/931094389407768607">https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/471231032645910529/931094389407768607</a><br>
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Cheers,<br>
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Thorsten<br>
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From: Warin <61sundowner@gmail.com> <br>
Sent: Thursday, 13 January 2022 17:38<br>
To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org<br>
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Undiscussed, undocumented mass edit across all of<br>
Australia.<br>
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On 13/1/22 5:47 pm, osm.talk-au@thorsten.engler.id.au<br>
<<a href="mailto:osm.talk-au@thorsten.engler.id.au">mailto:osm.talk-au@thorsten.engler.id.au</a>> wrote:<br>
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<a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/116091398">https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/116091398</a><br>
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To quote my changeset comment:<br>
<br>
This undiscussed, undocumented mass edit that didn't follow the<br>
<a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_Edits_code_of_conduct">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_Edits_code_of_conduct</a> is<br>
introducing a huge amount of incorrect data to the database and should be<br>
reverted.<br>
<br>
public_transport=platform doesn't automatically go onto every<br>
highway=bus_stop, only in cases where that's the only thing that's mapped. <br>
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<br>
<br>
<br>
If there is an actual waiting area of any kind, the<br>
public_transport=platform belongs on that instead.<br>
<br>
see <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Public_transport#Buses">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Public_transport#Buses</a><br>
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Umm from the above page <br>
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"If there is no real platform and you will only find a simple sign for the<br>
passengers . <br>
Add a node node at the location of the bus stop sign. It gets following<br>
tags:<br>
<br>
public_transport=platform<br>
highway=bus_stop<br>
name=<name> or ref=<reference number><br>
optional: additional tags like shelter=yes/no, bench=yes/no, bin=yes/no,<br>
etc."<br>
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In most instances in Australia all there is is a 'bus stop sign' and shelter<br>
with bench if your lucky. So in the majority of cases the tagging would be<br>
correct. <br>
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I think this came about from 'public transport version 2'. I don't know if<br>
it is 'required'. <br>
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Personally I see platforms for trains, wharf? for ferries and usually<br>
nothing for buses. <br>
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Message: 2<br>
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 19:36:37 +1100<br>
From: Andrew Harvey <andrew.harvey4@gmail.com><br>
To: OSM-Au <talk-au@openstreetmap.org><br>
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Undiscussed, undocumented mass edit across all<br>
of Australia.<br>
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On behalf of the DWG, I'll revert the changeset in question due to the<br>
undiscussed automated edit, especially because this was flagged as an<br>
automated edit to the contributor prior to making the change and a<br>
discussion didn't take place before the upload<br>
<a href="https://discord.com/channels/413070382636072960/471231032645910529/931056454230745158">https://discord.com/channels/413070382636072960/471231032645910529/931056454230745158</a>.<br>
Happy to continue the community discussion on the merits of the change.<br>
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on behalf of the DWG,<br>
Andrew Harvey<br>
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On Thu, 13 Jan 2022 at 17:53, <osm.talk-au@thorsten.engler.id.au> wrote:<br>
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> <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/116091398">https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/116091398</a><br>
><br>
> To quote my changeset comment:<br>
><br>
> This undiscussed, undocumented mass edit that didn't follow the<br>
> <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_Edits_code_of_conduct">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_Edits_code_of_conduct</a> is<br>
> introducing a huge amount of incorrect data to the database and should be<br>
> reverted.<br>
><br>
> public_transport=platform doesn't automatically go onto every<br>
> highway=bus_stop, only in cases where that's the only thing that's mapped.<br>
><br>
> If there is an actual waiting area of any kind, the<br>
> public_transport=platform belongs on that instead.<br>
><br>
> see <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Public_transport#Buses">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Public_transport#Buses</a><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
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> <a href="https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/471231032645910529/931071450926964786/unknown.png">
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/471231032645910529/931071450926964786/unknown.png</a><br>
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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/471231032645910529/931072496403370014/unknown.png</a><br>
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> Opinions?<br>
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> Cheers,<br>
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> Thorsten<br>
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Message: 3<br>
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 20:32:52 +1100<br>
From: forster@ozonline.com.au<br>
To: Little Maps <mapslittle@gmail.com><br>
Cc: OSM Aust Discussion List <talk-au@openstreetmap.org><br>
Subject: Re: [talk-au] New blogs on unsealed roads in Victoria<br>
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Ian<br>
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I showed my friends, their response was: "when do we start?"<br>
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Tony<br>
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> Hi folks, for everyone interested in OpenStreetMap's fantastic road data???<br>
> I've just posted a series of blogs about unsealed roads in Victoria. I've<br>
> pitched it at cyclists rather than mappers to widen the audience, but you<br>
> should still find lots of interest I hope.<br>
><br>
> <a href="https://little-maps.com/2022/01/12/the-great-vic-gravel-route-exploring-victoria-on-unsealed-roads/">
https://little-maps.com/2022/01/12/the-great-vic-gravel-route-exploring-victoria-on-unsealed-roads/</a><br>
><br>
> It starts with the question, how far can you ride across Victoria without<br>
> hitting a paved road? Then displays Victoria's major 'gravel zones', and<br>
> plots the route that crosses Victoria from west to east which contains the<br>
> shortest possible distance of paved roads. It's very circuitous.<br>
><br>
> A series of supplementary posts expand on the main theme and describe how<br>
> the maps and routes were made. I hope you find it interesting. Best wishes<br>
> Ian<br>
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