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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hi Folks,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I think Class 1 specifically mentions disability access so I would hate to see that combined in any way with other classes.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Cheers - Phil<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> Graeme Fitzpatrick <graemefitz1@gmail.com> <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, 31 January 2022 2:23 PM<br><b>To:</b> iansteer@iinet.net.au<br><b>Cc:</b> OSM-Au <talk-au@openstreetmap.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [talk-au] sac_scale [Was: Deletion of walking<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 at 11:05, <<a href="mailto:iansteer@iinet.net.au" target="_blank">iansteer@iinet.net.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I think we should just stick with the AWTGS as it stands. It seems to be gaining widespread government support, and even if it is not perfect, it seems like a standard that is going to stay with us.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>So, working on this idea, looking at <a href="https://www.ffm.vic.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0019/21475/dse_trail_grade_brochure_tagged.pdf" target="_blank">https://www.ffm.vic.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0019/21475/dse_trail_grade_brochure_tagged.pdf</a>, & having a play, a first draft comes up with something like:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0><tr style='height:15.75pt'><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt;height:15.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Liberation Sans",serif'>AWGTS Class 1</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Liberation Sans",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt;height:15.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Liberation Sans",serif'>Criteria</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Liberation Sans",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt;height:15.75pt'></td><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt;height:15.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;text-align:center'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Liberation Sans",serif'>OSM</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Liberation Sans",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr></table></div><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0><tr style='height:15.75pt'><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt;height:15.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Liberation Sans",serif'>Distance <o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt;height:15.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Liberation Sans",serif'>Xxx (<5k)<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt;height:15.75pt'></td><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt;height:15.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Liberation Sans",serif'>Distance=4.5<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr style='height:15.75pt'><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt;height:15.75pt'></td><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt;height:15.75pt'></td><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt;height:15.75pt'></td><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt;height:15.75pt'></td></tr><tr style='height:15.75pt'><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt;height:15.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Liberation Sans",serif'>Gradient<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt;height:15.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Liberation Sans",serif'>Flat<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt;height:15.75pt'></td><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt;height:15.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Liberation Sans",serif'>incline=no<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr style='height:15.75pt'><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt;height:15.75pt'></td><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt;height:15.75pt'></td><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt;height:15.75pt'></td><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt;height:15.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Liberation Sans",serif'>steps=no<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr style='height:15.75pt'><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt;height:15.75pt'></td><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt;height:15.75pt'></td><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt;height:15.75pt'></td><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt;height:15.75pt'></td></tr><tr style='height:15.75pt'><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt;height:15.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Liberation Sans",serif'>Quality<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt;height:15.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Liberation Sans",serif'>Well formed<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt;height:15.75pt'></td><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt;height:15.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Liberation Sans",serif'>surface=paved / compacted<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr style='height:15.75pt'><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt;height:15.75pt'></td><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt;height:15.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Liberation Sans",serif'>Wheelchair OK<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt;height:15.75pt'></td><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt;height:15.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Liberation Sans",serif'>wheelchair=yes<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr style='height:15.75pt'><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt;height:15.75pt'></td><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt;height:15.75pt'></td><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt;height:15.75pt'></td><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt;height:15.75pt'></td></tr><tr style='height:15.75pt'><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt;height:15.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Liberation Sans",serif'>Markings<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt;height:15.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Liberation Sans",serif'>Sign-posted<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt;height:15.75pt'></td><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt;height:15.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Liberation Sans",serif'>trail_visibility=excellent<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr style='height:15.75pt'><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt;height:15.75pt'></td><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt;height:15.75pt'></td><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt;height:15.75pt'></td><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt;height:15.75pt'></td></tr><tr style='height:15.75pt'><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt;height:15.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Liberation Sans",serif'>Time<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt;height:15.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Liberation Sans",serif'>(closest 15 / 30 minutes /<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt;height:15.75pt'></td><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt;height:15.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Liberation Sans",serif'>Duration=00:15 / 15 minutes<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr style='height:15.75pt'><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt;height:15.75pt'></td><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt;height:15.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Liberation Sans",serif'>Hour / half-day / day)<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt;height:15.75pt'></td><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt;height:15.75pt'></td></tr><tr style='height:15.75pt'><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt;height:15.75pt'></td><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt;height:15.75pt'></td><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt;height:15.75pt'></td><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt;height:15.75pt'></td></tr><tr style='height:15.75pt'><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt;height:15.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Liberation Sans",serif'>Experience<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt;height:15.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Liberation Sans",serif'>Nil<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt;height:15.75pt'></td><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt;height:15.75pt'></td></tr></table><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>All the rest slot rather well into existing tags, although "incline" may be a bit iffy?, but don't know what to do with the "Experience" field?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The Guide says:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Class 1 / 2 - "No experience required"<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Class 3 - "Some bushwalking experience recommended"<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Class 4 - "Experienced bushwalkers"<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Class 5 - "Very experienced bushwalkers"<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>A new key perhaps: AWGTS_scale=1-5, with descriptions as above?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>What do you all think?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Graeme<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></body></html>