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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks Thorsten,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>So reading from that chart and in regard to my query about ‘tracks that are exclusively for foot traffic’ you would say it can ONLY be a footway?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Cheers - Phil<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'> osm.talk-au@thorsten.engler.id.au <osm.talk-au@thorsten.engler.id.au> <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 2 February 2022 5:51 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'OSM-Au' <talk-au@openstreetmap.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [talk-au] Path versus Footway<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>As far as I’m concerned, footway, cycleway, path(, and bridleway) are all essentially the same thing, a non-motor_vehicle path, just with different implied default access restrictions.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>We should probably have a discussion about how appropriate the ones listed here are:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_tags_for_routing/Access_restrictions#Australia">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_tags_for_routing/Access_restrictions#Australia</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-AU'> Phil Wyatt <<a href="mailto:phil@wyatt-family.com">phil@wyatt-family.com</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 2 February 2022 11:00<br><b>To:</b> OSM-Au <<a href="mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org">talk-au@openstreetmap.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> [talk-au] Path versus Footway<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Hi Folks,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I am contemplating a review of ‘walking tracks’ tagging in Tasmania, outside of urban areas. In my case I am starting with tracks that are exclusively for foot traffic. My investigation has led me to what appears to be a conflict within OSM of what is the correct tagging to use. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dpath">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dpath</a> would suggest that most could be a ‘path’ and this seems to be verified on existing data with this styled overpass query (<b>by bounding box</b>) <a href="https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1fGX">https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1fGX</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><ul style='margin-top:0cm' type=disc><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3'>Blue represents a path<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3'>Red represents a footway<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3'>Black represents steps<o:p></o:p></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>The path tag also considers extra tagging such as the sac_scale, visibility, surface, operator etc etc which is useful extra information. Sac_scale and operator are certainly used less frequently on footway.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>The footway tagging <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dfootway">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dfootway</a> seems to have been written with urban infrastructure in mind and as usual for OSM tagging does not provide definitive detail (ie it could have said ‘used exclusively by pedestrians’, instead it say mainly or exclusively).<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Of course there are always cases on the margins of both and an example would be a high use, possibly with disabled access, tracks such as Russell Falls in Tasmania (to highlight one that is likely known by many) <a href="https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1fGZ">https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1fGZ</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>So that brings me to the recently created Australian Walking Track page <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australia/Walking_Tracks">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australia/Walking_Tracks</a> which gives the options to use both tags (path and footway) but without any real qualification about choosing between the two. This still seems to be in conflict with the Australian tagging guidelines on Bushwalking (and cycling tracks) <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines#Bush_Walking_and_Cycling_Tracks">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines#Bush_Walking_and_Cycling_Tracks</a> that definitively says ‘Do not use highway=footway’.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>So my question is – do you think we can come up with some criteria where a footway ends and path commences or should we just go with the flow and stick with OSM <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Any_tags_you_like">‘any tags you like’</a>? My main goal is to make sure the two Australian wikis are not in conflict with each other.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I am aware there is some controversy re footway/pathway and bikes but I would like to ignore that in this context<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Cheers - Phil<o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>