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    <p>On unpaved roads - they can close at any time there is rain. Some
      mine sites also close access roads with rain, some locals think
      thye close them way too often. <br>
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    <p>There are also councils that close roads - placing signs on them
      where accessible from paved roads. Some of the councils have fines
      of $1,000 per axle, seems a bit unfair to motor cycles - 2 axle,
      compared to a 4WD - 2 axle. A road train on the other hand!!! <br>
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    <p>Unfortunately common sense looks to be a lot less common as time
      goes bye. A map is an indication, what you find/see is the present
      truth. <br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/2/22 19:56, Ewen Hill wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Back in 1990, Cyclone Joy (note to BOM - please
        check names first!!!) hit central Queensland and as the water
        washed down the catchments, roads closed and then reopened at
        various times. The coastal highway reopened about 22 days after
        closing with traffic using a single lane. The year before had
        been relatively quiet compared.
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        <div>   During this, we were told by locals  naaah - don't worry
          'bout the runway mate, it never floods. The next morning 25%
          of it had disappeared under the wet stuff and lost our
          emergency airdrop aircraft as they were all parked there and
          couldn't take off. Things can take a dramatic turn very
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        <div>  The key issue is that we have main roads where there
          maybe the dynamic ability to close roads but perhaps after the
          event and then we have councils which do not normally and have
          more pressing issues. Routing in the outback is probably not
          real-time due to lack of mobile coverage and the roads are
          still displayed.</div>
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        <div>   The city dweller, finding that the Highway is unpassable
          may still choose the route less travelled called "Nine Creeks
          Road" and not suspect there is a reason why no one else is on
          that road. Commonsense is not something we can distil. The
          access conditional is good but has to be on all roads outside
          towns for this to work.</div>
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        <div>Then there is climate change!</div>
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        <div>Ewen<br>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 at 13:29,
          Graeme Fitzpatrick <<a href="mailto:graemefitz1@gmail.com"
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          wrote:<br>
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            <div>No argument at all from me!</div>
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            <div>Just thinking of possible options :-)<br clear="all">
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              <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 at
                11:55, Dian Ågesson <<a
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                  <p>A further thought,</p>
                  <p>Tagging permissions that open the road in certain
                    times, rather than close them, could also lead to
                    better outcomes with less sophisticated routing
                    software/offline connections.</p>
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                  <p>access=no</p>
                  <p>access:conditional=yes @ (May-Nov)</p>
                  <p>access:conditional= discouraged @ (Dec-Apr and dry)</p>
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              <div>& that's an interesting idea!</div>
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              <div>Thanks
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                <div>Graeme</div>
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        <div dir="ltr">Warm Regards<br>
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          Ewen Hill<br>
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