<div dir="ltr">I like the idea of local_ref for the stand letter and ref for the bus stop number.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 at 15:38, Stéphane Guillou via Talk-au <<a href="mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org">talk-au@openstreetmap.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Here from Meanjin/Brisbane, I've often struggled with naming bus
stops, and I'm keen to learn more.</p>
<p>I've switched between using what's on the sign (seen from afar),
or on the timetable (often longer form). And using differing keys
like: name, alt_name, short_name. So would love to have a better
idea of what to do and what the de-facto or agreed-upon convention
is...</p>
<p>On thing that I noticed and that might factor in - although it's
bordering on mapping for the renderer: the Transport Map layer on
the OSM website visually "joins" bus stops that share the same
name, which I find is a very helpful hint on the map. It looks
like:</p>
<ul>
<li>It does it by exact name match, like here:
<a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/-27.48698/153.01086&layers=T" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/-27.48698/153.01086&layers=T</a></li>
<li>But not by reference, like here (Raven St - 12 stop):
<a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=20/-27.48591/153.00169&layers=T" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=20/-27.48591/153.00169&layers=T</a></li>
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<p>Probably something that the renderer could be improved on, but
thought I'd mention it here because it makes me wonder if there
are other data consumers who rely on bus stop name matches, and
then make use of a separate tag like local_ref for the precise
stand/platform (if needed).<br>
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<p><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:local_ref" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:local_ref</a><br>
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<p>Cheers</p>
<div>On 2/2/22 19:01, Warin wrote:<br>
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On 2/2/22 18:24, cleary wrote:
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<blockquote type="cite">I suggest leaving the bus stop ID number
in the format that Andrew initially stated, ref=201111 (rather
than ref:stand=A)
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As a regular used of buses (pre-covid), I think "Stand A" etc
needs to be part of the name. At some locations, the stands are
a block or more apart (such as the multiple Martin Place and
Town Hall bus stops in Sydney and the many different stops at
major suburban transport interchanges). Each "stand" needs to
clearly identified as a separate stop.
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<br>
Each stand has its own ID number. While the signposts at stops
generally give greater prominence to "Stand A", "Stand B" or
sometimes "Stand B1", Stand B2" etc, the six or seven digit
reference numbers seem to be more prominent in the public
transport apps and have a necessary place in the OSM database.
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+1
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I think the 'Stand *' should come before the location. Why?
Because the location can be determined by the lat/lon in the data
base or its location on a map. The 'Stand x' though is not
something that can be determined by lat/lon/location.
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The reference number is handy in getting a route from the web
route planner - the from and too fields can be used with the ref
number rather than typing the name.
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I recall having this conversation before on this list.
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On Wed, 2 Feb 2022, at 2:24 PM, Andrew Harvey wrote:
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<blockquote type="cite"><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1128912626" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1128912626</a>
is an okay example, with
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ref being the Stop ID, and name being the stop name with the
stand
<br>
number appended to the end.
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So in your case,
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ref=201111
<br>
name=Kings Cross Station Darlinghurst Rd, Stand A
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I don't think this is perfect but probably the best compromise
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currently. We could consider something like ref:stand=A.
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On Wed, 2 Feb 2022 at 11:49, Mat Attlee
<a href="mailto:mattattlee@gmail.com" target="_blank"><mattattlee@gmail.com></a> wrote:
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<blockquote type="cite">What is the convention for tagging
Sydney bus stops? I stumbled upon one but not sure how to
tag the stop number and the stand letter so put those
details in the note field
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<a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/9465614221" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/9465614221</a>
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