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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>No it’s not. And I’m pretty sure it didn’t say that on the ATGs before he vandalised them.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> Dian Ågesson <me@diacritic.xyz> <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, 21 February 2022 19:18<br><b>To:</b> osm.talk-au@thorsten.engler.id.au<br><b>Cc:</b> talk-au@openstreetmap.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Sidewalks as "Path" when bicycles allowed? was: OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Hello,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>I noticed in these changes that the Australian tagging guidelines have included this note about footpaths (sidewalks) in jurisdictions where cycling is allowed.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>"<o:p></o:p></span></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellpadding=0><tr><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p class=MsoNormal>On all shared use paths which can be used by both pedestrians and cyclists.<br>*Cycling is permitted on footpaths in ACT, NT, QLD, SA, Tas., and WA, and <tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway" title="Key:highway">highway</a>=<a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dpath" title="Tag:highway=path">path</a></span></tt> should be used in general circumstances. Refer to <tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway" title="Key:highway">highway</a>=<a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dpath" title="Tag:highway=path">path</a></span></tt> for further guidance on which supporting tags to use.<o:p></o:p></p></td></tr></table><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Is this accepted practice? To be this doesn't seem like a good idea: it seems like the same problem as explicitly tagging sidewalks as bicycle=no; if there is any change in legislation the tags won't make sense?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Dian<o:p></o:p></span></p><p id=reply-intro><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>On 2022-02-13 21:11, <a href="mailto:osm.talk-au@thorsten.engler.id.au">osm.talk-au@thorsten.engler.id.au</a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 5.0pt;margin-left:0cm;margin-right:0cm'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>That's not what happened here. See these examples:<br><br><a href="https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/471231032645910529/941255156085948466" target="_blank">https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/471231032645910529/941255156085948466</a><br>/unknown.png<br><a href="https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/471231032645910529/941255208787386428" target="_blank">https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/471231032645910529/941255208787386428</a><br>/unknown.png<br><a href="https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/471231032645910529/941255284171624489" target="_blank">https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/471231032645910529/941255284171624489</a><br>/unknown.png<br><a href="https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/471231032645910529/941255349749547018" target="_blank">https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/471231032645910529/941255349749547018</a><br>/unknown.png<br><br>He simply indiscriminately removed all source tags from any loaded (into<br>JOSM) object, even though he didn't touch these in any way. No tag changes<br>(outside of deleting the source tags), no geometry changes.<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Warin <<a href="mailto:61sundowner@gmail.com">61sundowner@gmail.com</a>> <br>Sent: Sunday, 13 February 2022 18:57<br>To: <a href="mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org">talk-au@openstreetmap.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines<br>has been changed by Aaronsta<br><br><br>On 13/2/22 14:18, <a href="mailto:osm.talk-au@thorsten.engler.id.au">osm.talk-au@thorsten.engler.id.au</a> wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 5.0pt;margin-left:0cm;margin-right:0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>There is also that he seems to be deleting all source tags on any loaded<o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>objects with many of his changesets. <o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 5.0pt;margin-left:0cm;margin-right:0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br>I wrote a changeset comment on one of the changesets that do that,<o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br><br>When I make a change I delete the source tag when I'm using a different<br>source.<br><br>The new source can be seen on the changeset. The past source/s can be seen<br>using the history.<br><br><br>If there are no changes then there should be no change to any of the <br>existing tags - source or otherwise.<br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Talk-au mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Talk-au@openstreetmap.org">Talk-au@openstreetmap.org</a><br><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au</a><br><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Talk-au mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Talk-au@openstreetmap.org">Talk-au@openstreetmap.org</a><br><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></blockquote></div></body></html>