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<p>Hi all</p>
<p>I agree one should be cautious with closing notes with a
changeset that only relies on aerial imagery, in particular when
the note specifically mentions that a survey is necessary (e.g.
"ground-truthing required").</p>
<p>Recently, a keen fellow local mapper started resolving notes one
by one in my local area by actually traveling to the location (by
bike I believe). That resulted in high-quality, up-to-date data,
and wouldn't have happened without those open notes.<br>
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<p>Nevertheless, I want to say that I really appreciate the time
that was invested in the recent note-closing work. It's great to
see so many small improvements happening all around the map, and
the activity on the notes themselves might bring new contributors
in, or even just motivate them to open new notes.<br>
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<p>Cheers<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/3/22 12:42, Andrew Harvey wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">For example,
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<div><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/2381617"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
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tracks in the bush often aren't visible from imagery, so it
needs a ground survey to add them.</div>
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<div><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/2684418"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/2684418</a>
a street library won't be visible on aerial imagery, you
either need to confirm on the ground or use street level
imagery. If it's unable to be verified remotely best to leave
it open for someone on the ground to verify it.<br>
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<div>Though I realise it's not always easy and at some point it
makes sense to close the note as unactionable.</div>
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<div>StreetComplete asks about open notes. </div>
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Graeme Fitzpatrick <<a href="mailto:graemefitz1@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">graemefitz1@gmail.com</a>>
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<div>Thanks, Andrew, & not disagreeing!</div>
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<div>But when there's a Note still there from ~4 years ago
that says "Path", & when we look, there's a path
already mapped 20m away from that note tag, do we assume
that that is the path in question so close the note as
resolved, or hope that somebody will get there sometime to
check it out, although nobody has apparently yet looked at
it in the last 4 years?</div>
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<div>& it gets worse in remote areas. Which mapper is
going to trek 10k in from the nearest road (or for some of
them out West, 100+k!) to confirm that there is a track
(that doesn't appear on any imagery or Govt sources)
running from here to there?</div>
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<div>At least partially, some of the problem is that Notes
are invisible unless deliberately activated. Any of us
could have 100 of them within 5k of our home, which could
be easily checked, but not know about them, so never check
& resolve them.</div>
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<div>& then, over these last several days, I'm seeing a
few notes being reactivated (often by people with user
names but 0 edits) but with no comment as to why they've
reactivated them? I wonder if some people think that they
have to have a note on the map to show that "this is
here"?</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Thanks
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<div>Graeme</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 1 Mar 2022 at
19:08, Andrew Harvey <<a
href="mailto:andrew.harvey4@gmail.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">andrew.harvey4@gmail.com</a>>
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<div dir="ltr">While there has been a lot of good work
going on with these notes, I would like to point out
that many are there because they need a ground survey to
check. So the goal should not be to get open notes to
zero only from airchair mapping. If it's not something
that's actionable without a survey then best leave it
open as many apps ask users on the ground to comment on
open notes and some mappers look at them for their local
area.
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<div>There was some concern raised about this on the
Oceania discord channel and I've noticed myself, so
wanted to raise it here.</div>
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15:46, Graeme Fitzpatrick <<a
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moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">graemefitz1@gmail.com</a>>
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<div>As I write this, there are now 3543</div>
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<div>Sorry if I'm boring any of you? :-), but
thought I'd update this to mention that after
another 11 days, we are now at 2460!</div>
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<div>& please check out the graph :-) - I'm
waiting eagerly for the cross-over that has to
be due any day now! :-)<br>
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<div><a
href="https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-notes-country?c=Australia"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-notes-country?c=Australia</a></div>
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<div>The oldest Notes have also jumped from
2013 to ~30 still outstanding from 2017, </div>
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<div>Now at two tricky ones from 2018, + 24 others
prior to 2019, all with questions asked on them.</div>
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<div>Thanks
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<div>Graeme</div>
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