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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I’m in agreement with you that this is not the correct, widely accepted, way of mapping these intersections.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Ways should only split at the start of physical separations. Intersections of dual carriage ways should result in a # like pattern. Turn lanes without physical separation should be mapped using appropriate :lanes tags.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>To give counterexamples of what I think are correctly mapped intersections:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/-27.24256/153.02079">https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/-27.24256/153.02079</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/-27.24173/153.02469">https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/-27.24173/153.02469</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/-27.23018/153.02236">https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/-27.23018/153.02236</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> Dian Ågesson <me@diacritic.xyz> <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, 4 March 2022 15:31<br><b>To:</b> OSM Australian Talk List <talk-au@openstreetmap.org><br><b>Subject:</b> [talk-au] Assistance with ongoing disagreement regarding intersections<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Hello,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>I'd like some assistance resolving a disagreement I'm involved with regarding the correct mapping of dual carriageways at intersections. I have previously mentioned this topic on the mailing list here: <a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2021-September/014968.html,">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2021-September/014968.html</a>.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>To summarise briefly, a very active contributor prefers to model dual carriageway intersections in a manner that I don't believe is correct.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Turn lanes are split from main carriageways at the start of the new turn lane, then cross over each other in an "X" shape, rather than a Box shape that I've seen documented. (Examples, because I am bad at explaining: <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/8917929878" target="_blank">Burwood Hwy/Mountain Hwy</a>, <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2951838115/history" target="_blank">Smith St/Dandenong Rd</a>, <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/8925914559/history">Burwood Hwy/Dorset Rd</a>, <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/779286918/history" target="_blank">Princes Hwy/William Rd</a>) Additional highways are introduced for left hand turns where there is no physical separation (eg, <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/113685299/history" target="_blank">Mt Dandenong Tourist Rd/Mountain Highway</a>, <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/976666655/history">Greville St N/Sturt St</a>, <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/75040109/history">Glenleith St/Church St</a>). This editor has been an extremely active contributor for many, many years: I found these examples by just zooming in on a given town or suburb, found intersection that was modelled this way, and checked the history to confirm the source.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>I initially engaged with the user in September (<a href="https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/111051481" target="_blank">111051481</a>), and after some initial delay, we have engaged in a <a href="https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=206929&commented" target="_blank">productive conversation</a> since. To the user's credit, they have been patient and understanding in our interactions, and have made adjustments to their mapping style based on my feedback. Unfortunately, we have reached a<a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/118038711" target="_blank"> fundamental point of disagreement</a>, and I don't believe further changeset discussions are going to be productive.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>I'm now a little too close to this discussion to be objective, and I would really appreciate some assistance with this disagreement. Due to the extraordinary output of this user, simply avoiding editing in similar areas isn't going to be practical. But am I incorrect in my assessment of intersection modelling? Is this a question of style, or of accuracy?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Kind Regards,<br>Dian.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></body></html>