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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>***physically***<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Legal lane change restrictions are tagged with change:lanes<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> Graeme Fitzpatrick <graemefitz1@gmail.com> <br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, 5 March 2022 08:58<br><b>To:</b> Luke Stewart <suburbansilvervlogs@gmail.com><br><b>Cc:</b> OSM Australian Talk List <talk-au@openstreetmap.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [talk-au] Fwd: Assistance with ongoing disagreement regarding intersections<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Looking back at the notes from the previous discussion & spotted this comment: <o:p></o:p></p><pre>"only split the way at the point where you can no longer physically change lanes."<o:p></o:p></pre><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Physically, or legally?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Looking at the <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/779286918/history" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Princes Hwy/William Rd</span></a> example, yes, there's only a painted line & island that you can physically cross, but that would mean doing an illegal lane change.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Are we supposed to worry about that, or not?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Graeme<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Fri, 4 Mar 2022 at 19:57, Luke Stewart <<a href="mailto:suburbansilvervlogs@gmail.com">suburbansilvervlogs@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>(forgot to x-post to talk-au)<br><br>Hi,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The standard rule and the way that I map is to only begin a new way if there is some form a physical separation, so extra turning ways which can be completed with a box but are modelled as curves aren't following this rule (same goes for ways that start when lanes start rather than branching off where the physical separation begins).<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Whilst there are arguments like "it looks better" or "helps with routing/direction finding/navigation", these are not reasons to break osm, rather to improve software.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>In the case of the<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'> </span><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/779286918/history" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Princes Hwy/William Rd</span></a> intersection, the residential road should be drawn straight through the intersection, with the right turn lane specified with keys such as turn:lanes and change:lanes.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>As for how to resolve with this user, probably affirming a regional consensus would be most convincing.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Luke<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>Talk-au mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Talk-au@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">Talk-au@openstreetmap.org</a><br><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div></body></html>