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<p>Hello,</p>
<p>Things have escalated somewhat: <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/118091243">https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/118091243</a></p>
<p>(There has definitely been something lost in translation, as this change isn’t an example of what I was speaking to the editor about.)</p>
<p>As Kim said, I’m not talking about the marginal cases.</p>
<p>These are situations where an additional highway has been drawn for a left hand turn where there is no slip lane; and where right hand turn lanes are mapped as an X rather than a box.</p>
<p>I’m not sure if the editor is on this list, but I don’t believe further engagement will work.</p>
<p>Dian</p>
<p id="reply-intro">On 2022-03-05 10:48, Luke Stewart wrote:</p>
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<div dir="ltr">Personally, for shallow slip lanes like this, I map with the angle of the island and do not make curves where it joins the new road.</div>
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<div>Continuing on with that line of thought & looking at the example mentioned in the other thread:</div>
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<div>How should that left turn from Tonkin Hwy to Hale Rd be mapped?</div>
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<div>As a relatively smooth curve the way it is now, or as an abrupt 45<span><span>° angle at the physical traffic island eg ___/_|__ ?</span></span></div>
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<div class="v1gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Sat, 5 Mar 2022 at 08:58, Graeme Fitzpatrick <<a href="mailto:graemefitz1@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer">graemefitz1@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Looking back at the notes from the previous discussion & spotted this comment:
<pre>"only split the way at the point where you can no longer physically change lanes."</pre>
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<div>Physically, or legally?</div>
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<div>Looking at the <span style="font-family: Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif; font-size: 13.3333px;"></span><a style="font-family: Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif; font-size: 13.3333px;" href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/779286918/history" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Princes Hwy/William Rd</a> example, yes, there's only a painted line & island that you can physically cross, but that would mean doing an illegal lane change.</div>
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<div>Are we supposed to worry about that, or not?</div>
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<div class="v1gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Fri, 4 Mar 2022 at 19:57, Luke Stewart <<a href="mailto:suburbansilvervlogs@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer">suburbansilvervlogs@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div dir="auto">(forgot to x-post to talk-au)<br /><br />Hi,
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<div dir="auto">The standard rule and the way that I map is to only begin a new way if there is some form a physical separation, so extra turning ways which can be completed with a box but are modelled as curves aren't following this rule (same goes for ways that start when lanes start rather than branching off where the physical separation begins).</div>
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<div dir="auto">Whilst there are arguments like "it looks better" or "helps with routing/direction finding/navigation", these are not reasons to break osm, rather to improve software.</div>
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<div>In the case of the<span style="font-family: Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif; font-size: 13.3333px;"> </span><a style="font-family: Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif; font-size: 13.3333px;" href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/779286918/history" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Princes Hwy/William Rd</a> intersection, the residential road should be drawn straight through the intersection, with the right turn lane specified with keys such as turn:lanes and change:lanes.</div>
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<div dir="auto">As for how to resolve with this user, probably affirming a regional consensus would be most convincing.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Cheers,</div>
<div dir="auto">Luke</div>
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