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<p>Interesting discussion; it does seem like the consensus is landing on the side of service=pipestem.</p>
<p>There are 668 instances of driveway=pipestem in Australia: <a href="https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1gU6,">https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1gU6,</a> but there is 0 instances of service=pipestem: <a href="https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1gUd">https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1gUd</a>. However, it seems as though I have had a disproportionate influence (509 of driveway=pipestem were last edited by me <a href="https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1gUf">https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1gUf</a>)</p>
<p>I don't have a strong preference either way, so I'm happy to move over to the service=pipestem structure (possibly through bulk edit?)</p>
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<p>Dian</p>
<p id="reply-intro">On 2022-03-16 08:53, Andrew Harvey wrote:</p>
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<div dir="ltr">In the global community it's still disputed, see <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:service%3Ddriveway#Pipestems" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:service%3Ddriveway#Pipestems</a> and my proposal to have this as an editor preset <a href="https://github.com/openstreetmap/id-tagging-schema/pull/239" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://github.com/openstreetmap/id-tagging-schema/pull/239</a> where the tagging question is still not resolved.
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<div>I've actually come around to the idea that service=pipstem is better, rational being that service=driveway is very clearly defined on the wiki as a non-shared driveway leading to a single residence. I think it's best we leave that intact and have a sibling tag service=pipestem for shared driveways. Otherwise you'll need to redefine service=driveway to be any type of shared or non-shared driveway and add a new tag driveway=single to most existing highway=service.</div>
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<div class="v1gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Wed, 16 Mar 2022 at 08:10, Tom Brennan <<a href="mailto:website@ozultimate.com" rel="noreferrer">website@ozultimate.com</a>> wrote:</div>
<blockquote class="v1gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #cccccc; padding-left: 1ex;">I think I started the last discussion on this, so I'll wade in! <br />Driveways are a bit of a nightmare - there are lots that don't fit <br />neatly into one bucket or another.<br /><br />We did agree that service=driveway, driveway=pipestem was better than <br />service=pipestem.<br /><br />It's probably 6 of one, half a dozen of the other as to whether the ones <br />below are all shared driveways. Some could equally be classified as <br />private residential roads.<br /><br />But they could all do with a clean up, one way or the other!<br /><br />cheers<br />Tom<br />----<br />Canyoning? try <a href="http://ozultimate.com/canyoning" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://ozultimate.com/canyoning</a><br />Bushwalking? try <a href="http://bushwalkingnsw.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://bushwalkingnsw.com</a><br /><br />On 15/03/2022 9:22 pm, Dian Ågesson wrote:<br />> <br />> <br />> Hi Seb!<br />> <br />> The last time this came up on the mailing list <br />> (<a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2021-September/015014.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2021-September/015014.html</a>) <br />> most people seemed to approve of the following mapping:<br />> <br />> highway=service<br />> <br />> service=driveway<br />> <br />> driveway=pipestem<br />> <br />> Dian<br />> <br />> On 2022-03-15 20:16, Sebastian Azagra via Talk-au wrote:<br />> <br />>> Hi all,<br />>><br />>> Had a query regarding the mapping of driveways / shared driveways as <br />>> there seems to be quite a number of different approaches in the data.<br />>> Below are three examples of similar ways that have different tags used <br />>> in each instance.<br />>><br />>> Highway=service<br />>> Service= driveway<br />>> <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/818426144" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/818426144</a><br />>><br />>> Highway=Residential<br />>> Service= driveway <br />>> <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/184844142#map=18/-38.00126/145.27585" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/184844142#map=18/-38.00126/145.27585</a><br />>><br />>> Highway=residential<br />>> <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/429541974" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/429541974</a><br />>><br />>> Reading the OSM wiki, none of these ways are correctly mapped as they <br />>> are all shared driveways that leads from a road. my understanding that <br />>> they need to be tagged as follows:<br />>><br />>> Highway=service<br />>> Service= Pipestem<br />>><br />>> Would be interested in knowing your thoughts.<br />>><br />>> regards,<br />>><br />>> Sebastian<br />>> _______________________________________________<br />>> Talk-au mailing list<br />>> <a href="mailto:Talk-au@openstreetmap.org" rel="noreferrer">Talk-au@openstreetmap.org</a><br />>> <a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au</a><br />> <br />> _______________________________________________<br />> Talk-au mailing list<br />> <a href="mailto:Talk-au@openstreetmap.org" rel="noreferrer">Talk-au@openstreetmap.org</a><br />> <a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au</a><br /><br />_______________________________________________<br />Talk-au mailing list<br /><a href="mailto:Talk-au@openstreetmap.org" rel="noreferrer">Talk-au@openstreetmap.org</a><br /><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au</a></blockquote>
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