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<p>Hey Kim,</p>
<p>Thanks for the great feedback!</p>
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<p>Are all toll roads highway=motorway? All the ones I know in Victoria are. If so, we should add tollways to the description of highway=motorway</p>
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<p>There was nothing documented in the previous version of the road hierarchy about toll roads, but a quick overpass query shows that are are a couple of toll roads are motorways, (<a href="https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1hKL">Query</a>) notably Brunton Avenue in Melbourne (tertiary), Go Between Bridge, Brisbane</p>
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<p>Should that be "impractical"?</p>
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<p>Yup, fixed.</p>
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<p>Unnamed Roads should use "noname=yes" and not "noname=*". That's probably what you intended, but may not be obvious to someone encountering the noname tag for the first time.</p>
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<p>Fixed, thanks.</p>
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<p>Should we talk about pipestems in driveways, given recent discussions on this list?</p>
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<p>Yeah, I'm happy to add pipestem details; did we settle on service=pipestem?</p>
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<p>We should discourage the vague surface values of "paved" and "unpaved", instead using more specific tags like asphalt and compacted. Can we replace the example with something more specific than "surface=unpaved"?</p>
<p>surface=gravel has it's own problems given the common use in Australia is different to the wiki description. I'm not sure the best way to address this.</p>
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<p>I agree with you that we would want to encourage a more accurate tag. From what I could see on the wiki and in overpass queries, there is a lot of confusion about the surface tag. I would definitely welcome this list revisiting the discussion, but I didn't feel confident changing what was already there.</p>
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<p>Dian</p>
<p id="reply-intro">On 2022-04-18 07:10, Kim Oldfield via Talk-au wrote:</p>
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<p>Hi Dian,</p>
<p>Some questions and comments.</p>
<p>Are all toll roads highway=motorway? All the ones I know in Victoria are. If so, we should add tollways to the description of highway=motorway</p>
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<p>"Construction and maintenance of paved roads in profoundly remote areas is both practical and uneconomical"</p>
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<p>Should that be "impractical"?</p>
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<p>We should discourage the vague surface values of "paved" and "unpaved", instead using more specific tags like asphalt and compacted. Can we replace the example with something more specific than "surface=unpaved"?</p>
<p>surface=gravel has it's own problems given the common use in Australia is different to the wiki description. I'm not sure the best way to address this.</p>
<p>Should we talk about pipestems in driveways, given recent discussions on this list?</p>
<p>Unnamed Roads should use "noname=yes" and not "noname=*". That's probably what you intended, but may not be obvious to someone encountering the noname tag for the first time.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />Kim</p>
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<p>Hello list,</p>
<p>Cleanup has of the Tagging Guidelines page is continuing.</p>
<p>The <a class="v1moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines/Australia%27s_First_Peoples" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines/Australia%27s_First_Peoples</a> received positive feedback, and has now been integrated fully into the page.</p>
<p>The second Tagging Guidelines subpage of the cleanu[ is ready for community endorsement:<span> </span><a class="v1moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines/Roads" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines/Roads</a>.</p>
<p>This subpage was hard. This section had a lot of really old content, some of which had been largely unchanged for a decade. There was a lot of generic, non-Australia specific advice and explanations justifying what is now well accepted tagging practices. I have tried my best to update the wording of the relevant sections while keeping the intent and advice within consistent with the original while removing outdated information. I've also been guided by the actual usage of some of the tags suggested, which have not been implemented despite their documentation many years ago.</p>
<p>Please, review this page and let me know your thoughts and feedback. If there are no objections, the old text from the guidelines will be removed.</p>
<p>Dian</p>
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