<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 23 Aug 2022 at 20:02, Warin <<a href="mailto:61sundowner@gmail.com">61sundowner@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>On 23/8/22 18:15, Josh Marshall wrote:<br></p>
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<div>tl;dr - I’m interested in getting more
surfing-centric tagging into OSM, hopefully leading to an open
surfing map. And want to check on what would be appropriate. In
an analogous way to how cycling is treated, along with trail
running, my own sports of choice.</div>
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<p>Hi, welcome. </p></div></blockquote><div>Thanks! But I've been lurking and sporadically posting here for a long time now. I see what goes on! But mainly stick to editing my local area and anywhere I visit.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><p>Mostly land based things. Can you give a few examples? <br>
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<p>I found this one,</p>
<p><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1009395310" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1009395310</a></p>
<p>looks to be both surfing sand swimming... <br></p></div></blockquote><div>Yes, that's exactly the sort of thing. And better yet, why aren't our beaches, like the typical patrolled locations marked in such a way as that swimming_area too? Scope creep, anyone? This gets me more engaged, because I go to the beach plenty even if I don't surf myself. Starting to smell like an Aussie wiki page on how to tag beaches and surf spots.</div><div><br></div><div>This is my local... I spend plenty of time here, even sometimes just parked in my van and remote working. Perhaps I should do some mapping/tapping based on what we discuss there, then bring it back for further chat? <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/-32.92433/151.79302">https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/-32.92433/151.79302</a></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
<div>Are there any concerns on me taking the idea and
running with it? It would be good at least to flesh out the
wiki page on what tags can or should be applied. I already
have a spreadsheet from the grommie on the various attributes
of a surf break (left and right waves, tide/swell/wind
required). Does this require a formal proposal? </div></div></blockquote>
<p>There are those that say yes to a formal proposal, others nay. <br>
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<p>You may have noticed my Hills Hoist thing.. I raised it here to
see what reaction I got and to seek ideas. I have now raised it on
the tagging group for more of an international view and will raise
it on the russian wiki page on the 'umbrella' tag. </p>
<p>I would think you may get some feed back here to start with..
then raise it on the talk page <br>
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<p><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:sport%3Dsurfing" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:sport%3Dsurfing</a></p></div></blockquote><div>Yep, your post on the Hills Hoist probably helped prompt me into this idea... and I've added my own thoughts there. Hills Hoist mapathon, anyone?</div><div><br></div><div>I might try mapping just a handful of the local breaks to tease out some of the nuance, then write up and post on the wiki talk page.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><p>As the break would be a water feature I'd use a water tag
waterway=surf_break ??? That could be a way where the break first
occurs .. possibly sub tags such as break=left/right/* This would
be the physical feature for use with sport=surfing... <br>
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<p>Just my idea.. you may have more/different? <br></p></div></blockquote><div>That's exactly the sort of thing I was after. It is *visible* after all, just a bit hard to explain, so a waterway=surf_break makes sense.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>My own pause relates to how even though surf
breaks are physical locations (would be mapped as either areas
or points), they are tied to underwater features and
topography such as reefs, not necessarily visible from the
surface. And so will rely heavily on local knowledge. But if
not rendered by default, there’s no problem with that, right?</div>
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The surf break may be visible on some of the satellite imagery.
Mapbox off Tamarama Beach, Sydney looks large. </div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yep, noted as well. I checked the ones near me... some visible on aerial, some not. Guessing it depends on conditions!</div><div> </div></div></div>