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<p>Hey Phil,</p>
<p><br />Thank you so much for your efforts so far!</p>
<p>The tags on the relations are much more valuable as they tend to be used by newer and more recently updated data consumers. The network tags on the individual ways are more likely to be legacy supported</p>
<p>Ideally both would be updated at the same time, but I’m increasingly thinking that updating the ways might need to be a gradual transition. Maybe we leave the ways to be progressively updated as routes change or be modified?</p>
<p>For reference, the Americana project ( <a href="https://github.com/ZeLonewolf/openstreetmap-americana/issues">https://github.com/ZeLonewolf/openstreetmap-americana/issues</a>) will use the relation tags to render Australian road shields on the map.</p>
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<p>Dian</p>
<p id="reply-intro">On 2022-10-02 11:45, Phil Wyatt wrote:</p>
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<p class="v1MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language: EN-US;">Hi Dian,</span></p>
<p class="v1MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language: EN-US;"> </span></p>
<p class="v1MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language: EN-US;">I have done all the route relations for the A, B and C roads in Tassie and added the network=AU:TAS. I wasn't aware that it was also needed on the individual ways?? I understand they have the corresponding ref tag (A1, B22 etc) but is there a need for the network tag on all the ways? It's a bit unclear on the wiki as it only talks about routes.</span></p>
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<p class="v1MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language: EN-US;">I think Tassie is a bit easier as we only have one National route and no numeric routes.</span></p>
<p class="v1MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language: EN-US;"> </span></p>
<p class="v1MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language: EN-US;">I used the following Overpass Turbo to collect up the appropriate class of roads</span></p>
<p class="v1MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language: EN-US;"> </span></p>
<p class="v1MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language: EN-US;">[out:xml][timeout:25];</span></p>
<p class="v1MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language: EN-US;">{{geocodeArea:tasmania}}->.searchArea;</span></p>
<p class="v1MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language: EN-US;">( relation["route"="road"]["type"="route"]["ref"~"^A"]["network"!="AU:TAS"]["addr:country"="AU"]["addr:state"="TAS"](area.searchArea);</span></p>
<p class="v1MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language: EN-US;">);</span></p>
<p class="v1MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language: EN-US;">out meta;</span></p>
<p class="v1MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language: EN-US;">>;</span></p>
<p class="v1MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language: EN-US;"> </span></p>
<p class="v1MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language: EN-US;">Easily edited for other classes</span></p>
<p class="v1MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language: EN-US;"> </span></p>
<p class="v1MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language: EN-US;">Cheers - Phil</span></p>
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<p class="v1MsoNormal"><strong><span>From:</span></strong><span> Dian Ågesson <me@diacritic.xyz> <br /><strong>Sent:</strong> Saturday, 1 October 2022 8:49 PM<br /><strong>To:</strong> OSM Australian Talk List <talk-au@openstreetmap.org><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [talk-au] Proposed Bulk Edit: Road Route Numbering.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Verdana',sans-serif;">Hello,</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Verdana',sans-serif;"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Verdana',sans-serif;">Just an update regarding this piece of work.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Verdana',sans-serif;">I was able to complete a bulk edit in Western Australia, however I found that it took a significant amount of effort. WA is the "easiest" of the states to convert, as it has less numbered routes and no alphanumeric routes to worry about.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Verdana',sans-serif;">Unfortunately, I don't believe a bulk edit for the other states is practical. Relations are much easier to update, but segments of highways that are shared by multiple routes are inherently manual tasks.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Verdana',sans-serif;">I will continue updating relations where I can, but any help would be greatly appreciated tagging highway segments. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Verdana',sans-serif;">Dian</span></p>
<p id="v1reply-intro"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Verdana',sans-serif;">On 2022-09-20 20:13, Dian Ågesson wrote:</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Verdana',sans-serif;">Hello list,</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Verdana',sans-serif;">You may recall earlier this month the road route tagging guidelines were updated to adopt the "AU:" country prefix in the network field. <a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2022-September/016533.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2022-September/016533.html</a></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Verdana',sans-serif;">In order to make the transition as quick and seamless as possible, I'd like to propose a bulk edit to adjust the network tabs across Australia.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Verdana',sans-serif;">The edit would:</span></p>
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<li class="v1MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1;"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Verdana',sans-serif;">Change all road network tags to use the AU prefix in alignment with the new tagging guidelines (<a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines/Roads#Routes" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines/Roads#Routes</a>)</span></li>
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<p><span style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Verdana',sans-serif;">If there is support for this effort, I will make the change in one weeks time.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Verdana',sans-serif;">Would appreciate your thoughts and concerns.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Verdana',sans-serif;">Dian</span></p>
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