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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hi Sebastian,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I suppose for me it’s a question of should OSM hold a name which can be made from other attributes and does it fit with the name and charging wikis?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dcharging_station">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dcharging_station</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:name">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:name</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Do tesla chargers/charge areas also have reference numbers like other networks? This usually goes in the ref key.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I suspect many of these are ‘named’ simply so they get a label in the carto map without people realising that the operator and ref are used for labelling charging stations in that map instance. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Other apps may well use other OSM attributes.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Some interesting ‘name’ insights in this post as well<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SimonPoole/diary/397565">https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SimonPoole/diary/397565</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Cheers – Phil<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> Sebastian S. <mapping@consebt.de> <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 15 December 2022 10:34 PM<br><b>To:</b> talk-au@openstreetmap.org; Phil Wyatt <phil@wyatt-family.com>; 'Warin' <61sundowner@gmail.com><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Hello all,<br><br>As an EV driver I think that some charge stations have names.<br><br>I do agree that 'Tesla Supercharger ' is not a name with much value. Tesla has names in their app for these charging stations, e.g. 'Tesla Supercharger Hollydene, NSW' or 'Tesla Supercharger Central Coast, NSW'. For the latter the name is not the same as the address which is one of my key reasons to have the name tag, full length.<br><br>Aside from the Tesla supercharger there will be other large high current or DC charging stations that in my view warrant a name. Mainly because the are or will be key stopover points that people will navigate to.<br><br>But I'm also of the opinion that the name of the Woolworths in Dee Why is ' Woolworths Dee Why '<br><br>Seb<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 15 December 2022 8:23:19 pm AEDT, Phil Wyatt <<a href="mailto:phil@wyatt-family.com">phil@wyatt-family.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Thanks Warin,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Its pretty obvious that most are not real names but actually descriptions or operators/networks and locations<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><a href="https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1p4N">https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1p4N</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Cheers - Phil<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> Warin <<a href="mailto:61sundowner@gmail.com">61sundowner@gmail.com</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 15 December 2022 8:00 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org">talk-au@openstreetmap.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 15/12/22 17:11, Ben Kelley wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>My thoughts:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I wouldn't remove the names. It's a big call to say that this thing definitely does not have a name, when someone else says it does, especially if 50% have a name.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote><p><o:p> </o:p></p><p>"Tesla supercharger" is not an individual name, probably a brand. And there would be many that have that "name" in the world. It would be like tagging some petrol stations with 'name=Shell'. <o:p></o:p></p><p>The easiest thing to do is change the key 'name' to 'description', that way OSM looses no information. <o:p></o:p></p><p>Then add tags for brand/operator/ref/*. <o:p></o:p></p><p><o:p> </o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> - Ben.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Thu, 15 Dec 2022 at 14:24, Phil Wyatt <<a href="mailto:phil@wyatt-family.com">phil@wyatt-family.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Hi Folks,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Thoughts on 'named' EV chargers? Around 50% of chargers in Oz have some 'name'.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Most look to be adding the either the location or name of the operator etc (ie Freds Shop, XYZ carpark, Tesla supercharger etc), I suspect so it gets rendered on the map. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Are folks happy if I remove the names. I will ensure that no details are lost by making sure any operator or network details gets added to the correct tags.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>(I will also post to Oceania Forum and Discord)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>[Overpass query](<a href="https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1p4u" target="_blank">https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1p4u</a>)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Cheers - Phil<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Talk-au mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:Talk-au@openstreetmap.org">Talk-au@openstreetmap.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote></blockquote></div></div></body></html>