<div dir="ltr">Hi Ben, Andrew, Graeme,<div><br></div><div><div>Agree 100%, the hazard is the "steep descent" (or similar), which most likely (but not always) coincides with the include/gradient sign such as "15%" (and we might see "incline=-15" tag used as well).<br><br>possible tags are:</div><div><br></div></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div><div><div style="color:rgb(80,0,80)">hazard=Descent <-- because this is applicable to not just trucks!</div></div></div><div><div><div style="color:rgb(80,0,80)"><div>hazard=Steep Descent <-- because this is applicable to not just trucks!</div></div></div></div><div><div><div style="color:rgb(80,0,80)">hazard:hgv=Descent</div></div></div><div><div><div style="color:rgb(80,0,80)"><div>hazard:hgv=Steep Descent</div><div>hazard:hgv=Steep Descent;Tilting<br></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><div><div style="color:rgb(80,0,80)"><div><br></div></div></div></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div><div>incline=-15</div></div><div><div>incline:forward=-15 <---- if you want to specify direction or is this implicit in just using incline and direction of the way anyway????</div></div></blockquote><div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>The "restriction" (assume that is the common OSM term Andrew?) or signage on the road is to use low gears. Q: Tagged on a node and/or way? </div></div><div><br></div><div>What about </div><div><span style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.16px"><br></span></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div><span style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.16px">traffic_sign:hvg=Use Low Gears</span></div><div><div><span style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.16px">traffic_sign:hvg=AU:Use Low Gears</span></div></div><div><div><span style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.16px">traffic_sign:hvg=</span><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80)">Tilting</span></div></div><div><div><span style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.16px">traffic_sign:hvg=Use Low Gears;</span><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80)">Tilting</span></div></div></blockquote><div><br class="gmail-Apple-interchange-newline"></div><div>Feedback is most welcome</div><div><br></div><div>Would anyone like me to create a mapillary challenge so we can tag a few of these examples?</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Andrew</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 18 Jan 2023 at 10:32, Andrew Harvey <<a href="mailto:andrew.harvey4@gmail.com">andrew.harvey4@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Good point. If it's a restriction, it should be more like the maxspeed tag, maxspeed:hgv=*<div><br></div><div>So something like low_gears:hgv=designated rather than using the hazard key.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 18 Jan 2023 at 11:25, Ben Kelley <<a href="mailto:ben.kelley@gmail.com" target="_blank">ben.kelley@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>Just one thought on this:</div><div><br></div><div>The "use low gears" it not itself the hazard. It is the steep hill that is the hazard (where the mitigation strategy for HGVs is to use low gears. Same for rollover/sharp bend.</div><div><br></div><div> - Ben<br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 18 Jan 2023 at 10:38, Andrew Hughes <<a href="mailto:ahhughes@gmail.com" target="_blank">ahhughes@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Thank You Greame,<div><br></div><div>The <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:hazard#Traffic_hazards" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:hazard#Traffic_hazards</a> tag seems very appropriate but in my mind, needs a :hgv namespace.</div><div><br></div><div>still not sure on the actual values but...tag/values I would appreciate feedback on:</div><div><br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 40px;border:medium none;padding:0px"><div>hazard:hgv=Use low gears</div><div>hazard:hgv=Long Steep Descent</div><div>hazard:hgv=Use low gears;Long Steep Descent</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Another example I would appreciate feedback are QLD "Tilting Truck signs": <a href="https://www.qld.gov.au/transport/safety/signs/warning" target="_blank">https://www.qld.gov.au/transport/safety/signs/warning</a></div><div><br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 40px;border:medium none;padding:0px"><div>hazard:hgv=Tilting</div><div>hazard:hgv=High Risk Rollover<br></div><div>hazard:hgv= ?????????????<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Kind regards,</div><div>Andrew</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 17 Jan 2023 at 11:30, Graeme Fitzpatrick <<a href="mailto:graemefitz1@gmail.com" target="_blank">graemefitz1@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br clear="all"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 17 Jan 2023 at 10:40, Andrew Hughes <<a href="mailto:ahhughes@gmail.com" target="_blank">ahhughes@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">There are other signage like "No Engine Breaking", could anyone
propose a convention inline with the above that could be extended for
such additional signage?</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Answering in reverse!</div><div><br></div><div>I thought I remembered something about "quiet zones" for traffic, so did some searching & found: <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:railway%3Dlevel_crossing#Quiet_zones" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:railway%3Dlevel_crossing#Quiet_zones</a>, but which has apparently never been used.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Also found <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:designation#Quiet_lanes" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:designation#Quiet_lanes</a></div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">The same idea could possibly be used as designation=quiet_zone, possibly with quiet_zone=hgv?</div><div class="gmail_quote"><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Can anyone suggest the most appropriate way to take ways where the road is signed with "Use Low Gears"?</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>& maybe the same concept as designation=low_gears? <br></div><div><br></div><div>That one could even come in under <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:hazard#Traffic_hazards" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:hazard#Traffic_hazards</a> as hazard=low_gear_required?</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks<div><br></div><div>Graeme</div> </div><br></div></div>
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