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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/2/23 12:30, Andrew Harvey wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi legal-questions,
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<div>I'm forwarding this interesting question about the OSMF
Terms of Use preventing anyone from obtaining OSM data for
emergency services use. This is in direct conflict with the
ODBL terms which contain no such restriction, and also include
a limitation of liability clause. Surely other emergency
services organisations are using OSM data without issue.</div>
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<p>I too think it is a legal cop out for liability.</p>
<p>I think there are some emergency services in Europe using OSM
data already .. so if I am correct then it is possible (as it
should be in a reasonable world). <br>
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<p>See <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.openstreetmap.us/2021/06/map-for-emergency/">https://www.openstreetmap.us/2021/06/map-for-emergency/</a><br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, 10 Feb 2023 at 12:24,
Andrew Harvey <<a href="mailto:andrew.harvey4@gmail.com"
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<div dir="ltr">Hi Rob,
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<div>Interesting point you raise!</div>
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<div>While on the surface you'd think terms (from the OSMF
Terms of Use <a
href="https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use#III._Unlawful_and_other_unauthorized_uses"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use#III._Unlawful_and_other_unauthorized_uses</a>)
only ask you not to use OSMF services like the website,
API for those purposes and not the data, it includes "data
distribution".</div>
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<div>I suggest you raise this on the legal talk mailing list
<a
href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk</a>
and/or directly with the OSMF <a
href="mailto:legal-questions@osmfoundation.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">legal-questions@osmfoundation.org</a>
(<a href="https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Contact"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Contact</a>).</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, 10 Feb 2023 at
11:41, rob potter <<a href="mailto:pots253@gmail.com"
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<div dir="ltr">Hi,
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<div>I am representing the state transport
department <a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Department_of_Transport_and_Planning_(Victoria,_Australia)"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">Department
of Transport and Planning (Victoria, Australia)
- OpenStreetMap Wiki</a> and we are looking to
consume the OSM road & rail networks for our
operations.</div>
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<div><b>Lawyers have raised a concern about these
conditions, as the road data use is supplied to
our emergency services fire and ambulance. We
have not started using the information but we
are implementing a system of validation and
change detection, then produce an
authoritative version for other agency
consumption.</b></div>
<div><i
style="color:rgb(30,32,33);font-family:osmftext,sans-serif"><b><span
style="border:0px;font-variant:inherit;font-stretch:inherit;line-height:inherit;font-family:inherit;margin:0px;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline;color:inherit"><span
style="border:0px;font-variant:inherit;font-stretch:inherit;line-height:inherit;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;margin:0px;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><u>Unlawful
and other unauthorized uses</u></span><span
style="border:0px;font-variant:inherit;font-stretch:inherit;line-height:inherit;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;margin:0px;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(0,0,0)"> include</span></span><span
style="border:0px;font-variant:inherit;font-stretch:inherit;line-height:inherit;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;margin:0px;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span
style="border:0px;font-variant:inherit;font-stretch:inherit;line-height:inherit;font-family:inherit;margin:0px;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline;color:inherit"><span
style="border:0px;font-variant:inherit;font-stretch:inherit;line-height:inherit;margin:0px;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline"> a
clause "</span><span
style="border:0px;font-variant:inherit;font-stretch:inherit;line-height:inherit;margin:0px;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline">Operate
dangerous businesses such as emergency
services or air traffic control, where
the use or failure of the Services could
lead to death, personal injury or
significant property damage;" and "</span><span
style="border:0px;font-variant:inherit;font-stretch:inherit;line-height:inherit;margin:0px;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline">Store
data a</span><span
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through th</span><span
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Services in order to evade these Terms
(including aiding anyone else in doin</span></span><span
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so); or"</span></span></b></i><br>
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any advice would be greatly appreciated,
ultimately we will enhance the overall
content of OSM in the Victoria, but really
do not want to cause problems later.</span></span></font></div>
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