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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/2/23 09:30, cleary wrote:<br>
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I have one further comment about obsolete information on the DCS NSW Base Map. Located at 744 Carnarvon Highway, just north of Moree is a building that is labelled on the Base Map as OTC Satellite Earth Station. As far as I could find out, it ceased to have that purpose about 35 years ago but it has never been changed on the Base Map . That is the most obsolete item that I have identified but it is a reminder that names on the Base Map are not necessarily current.
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<p>Not a question of current but the normal, common, format of these
'names'. <br>
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<p>Fire Station:<br>
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<p>I gave one link to a table with 'names', and 'station numbers'
from Fire and Rescue NSW that has the same names as DCS. <br>
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<p>Press reports state the name in the same format;</p>
<p>Bombala Fire Station -
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-08/bombala-fire-rescue-inspiring-female-firefighters/12741618">https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-08/bombala-fire-rescue-inspiring-female-firefighters/12741618</a>
- Later in the report there is a link to
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.facebook.com/bombala230?fref=mentions">https://www.facebook.com/bombala230?fref=mentions</a> and that uses
'Fire and Rescue NSW Station 230 Bombala' but in their text they
use '<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x10flsy6
x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x
x4zkp8e x41vudc x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h"
dir="auto">Station 230' and '</span><span class="x193iq5w
xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x10flsy6 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso
x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x x4zkp8e x41vudc x6prxxf
xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">FRNSW Bombala'.</span></p>
<p><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x10flsy6 x1lliihq
x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x x4zkp8e
x41vudc x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">Dungog
Fire Station
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-07/fire-and-rescue-nsw-investigating-claims-at-dungog-fire-station/11566342">https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-07/fire-and-rescue-nsw-investigating-claims-at-dungog-fire-station/11566342</a></span></p>
<p><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x10flsy6 x1lliihq
x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x x4zkp8e
x41vudc x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><br>
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<p><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x10flsy6 x1lliihq
x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x x4zkp8e
x41vudc x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">Rural
Fire Brigade:</span></p>
<p><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x10flsy6 x1lliihq
x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x x4zkp8e
x41vudc x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"><br>
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<p><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x10flsy6 x1lliihq
x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x x4zkp8e
x41vudc x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">"The
NSW RFS comprises almost 2,000 rural fire brigades "
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.rfs.nsw.gov.au/about-us">https://www.rfs.nsw.gov.au/about-us</a></span></p>
<p><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x10flsy6 x1lliihq
x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x x4zkp8e
x41vudc x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto">Press<br>
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<p>Silverton Rural Fire Brigade
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.abc.net.au/news/2008-08-20/firefighters-fear-station-closure/482634">https://www.abc.net.au/news/2008-08-20/firefighters-fear-station-closure/482634</a></p>
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<span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x10flsy6 x1lliihq
x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x x4zkp8e
x41vudc x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u x1yc453h" dir="auto"></span>
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On Sun, 12 Feb 2023, at 8:54 AM, cleary wrote:
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">The DCS NSW Base Map is a great resource but some aspects do not seem
to get updated e.g. roads that were once public but are now private may
still appear on the map to have former status (e.g. parts of
unincorporated area in western NSW), re-named roads may still show old
names, waterways show names contrary to those signposted at locations
(e.g. in Murray River LGA). As far as I can ascertain, there is no
regular process for updating the Base Map and it seems to depend on
each particular agency such as the local government body, Roads and
Maritime Services, Rural Fire Service or Health Service to instigate
changes of details for their assets. It does not always happen.
In the past I have contacted local councils about some conflicting
information and always have been given information that the Base Map
showed obsolete information. In regard to fire stations, I would think
the operators, Fire and Rescue NSW or the Rural Fire Service would be
the most authoritative sources regarding names for their facilities.
The Base Map is a wonderful resource that I have used extensively but I
have learned that if there is contradictory information from another
source, especially survey or the operators of the facilities, then the
information from the other source should prevail.
On Sat, 11 Feb 2023, at 9:58 PM, Warin wrote:
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Hi,
I came across this while separating amenity=fire_station from their
building=*. The object is to map the amenity with all the name,
operator, etc tags on the amenity and leave the building alone.
The names on the DCS Base Map do not match some of the names on the OSM map.
For Fire and Rescue NSW the DCS base map has, for example ‘Lane Cove
Fire Station’ while OSM has ‘Fire and Rescue NSW Station 167 Lane Cove
(in the tagging guidelines). The number appears to be a ‘station number’
– see <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.fire.nsw.gov.au/station_list/">https://www.fire.nsw.gov.au/station_list/</a> The names there on the
station list comply with the DCS Base Map … and it is how I would ask
for them at the pub/in the street. I think the number may be best
entered under the tag ‘ref=*’ and the name as per the DCS Base Map. So
I'd like to change the names to comply wit the DCS Base Map.
Additional notes?
The name tag is for 'the common name'.
The long winded name looks to be some 'public service' name for pollies
to use ..
And we have official_name ... "Useful where there is some elaborate
official name, while a different one is a common name typically used"
The quoted text comes from the OSM wiki.. honest.
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For the Rural Fire Service some names are ‘Nowhere Rural Fire Service’
where the DCS Base Map would have ‘Nowhere RFB’ (‘Nowhere’ is an example
– don’t have one to hand). I take ‘RFB’ to be an abbreviation of ‘Rural
Fire Brigade’, where as Rural Fire Service is an abbreviation of the
operator.
I think ‘Nowhere Rural Fire Brigade’ is the correct name.
Thoughts??
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