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    Hi,<br>
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    I also find streams useful to indicate the surrounding ground is
    downhill towards them. Being at the bottom of a valley it is also
    fairly obvious when you encounter one in person.<br>
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    They are often hard to map from aerial imagery as they may hidden by
    tree cover. This is one reason why many are missing from OSM. Adding
    more of them would be good.<br>
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    Regards,<br>
    Kim<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 26/5/23 13:54, Josh Marshall wrote:<br>
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      I map streams on the regular. Given most of what I map is bike +
      running single-track, streams are helpful as a clue to the local
      topography. 
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      <div>But I’ve also made relations for all of our local streams and
        creeks; go to the Newcastle area and search for Ironbark or
        Cottage Creek for instance… it used to just return a single hit
        on one small section for almost every creek. My interest here is
        because much of the area was uninhabitable swamp until there was
        a huge effort to put in some monster drains in the 1890s. And
        yet it will still occasionally flood and people complain about
        council not doing anyway…
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        <div>Do note, the DCS map can be quite wrong in places… I’m
          pretty sure a lot of it was done once and then never updated.</div>
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        <div>Arguably most streams in Australia are intermittent, I
          don’t think the definition is totally locked down, but when
          they are isolated sections of standing water in between rain,
          that is intermittent in my mind.  <br>
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                  <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 25 May 2023
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                    adding missing stream data in national parks around
                    Sydney.<br>
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                    However, how much value is there in bringing in all
                    of the stream data <br>
                    in say the DCS Base Map vs just the named streams?<br>
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                    I can see for example, the value in bringing in
                    named streams. But there <br>
                    are huge numbers of smaller (unnamed) streams.<br>
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                  <div>It's not a bad idea, as it would let anybody
                    needing water in the bush, know that there's a creek
                    over there, & also let you know that if you go
                    this way, you may get wet feet! :-)</div>
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                  <div>But, do DCS Base & Topo differentiate between
                    permanent & intermittent creeks?</div>
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                            <div dir="ltr">Thanks
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                              <div>Graeme</div>
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