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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 22/9/23 16:37, Phil Wyatt wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hi
Folks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Personally,
I believe if the managing agency requests that the tracks be
removed from the map then as good corporate citizens we
should do everything possible to lower the promotion of such
tracks. Track managers also have a responsibility to also
actively advise people and if the area is high use then
signage and rehabilitation at the locations will help.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Track
rehabilitation, even when undertaken actively, can take
many, many years and there will likely be remains of the
closed/abandoned/rehabilitated tracks showing in some
environments, on some imagery, for an extended period of
time.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I
don’t believe that the abandoned or disused tags adequately
reflect the desire of the managers but it is supported by
some. Some users may see those tags as an ‘opportunity’ to
reopen the track and promote use back to previous levels and
they may do this without the backing of the agency.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">In
a nutshell, in this instance, they are asking for folks to
stop going there. I also feel that if a track has active
rehabilitation being undertaken then a better tag would be
rehabilitated:highway=<i>type</i> along with access=no. Many
such tracks will get limited rehabilitation at the ‘take off
points’ only and the rest of the track will be left to very
slowly rehabilitate, maybe with some occasional bars to
impede water flow and allow buildup of debris. Again, it
will take many years for full rehabilitation to take place.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">So
my view is…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span
style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">If you <b>cant</b> see
the track on the imagery – delete it.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span
style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">If you can see the
track in imagery – then tag it appropriately to discourage
use as per the managers desire. Also work with the
managers to actively close the tracks if you desire.
Obviously if you are concerned on the tagging then its
also likely that the area is a favourite place for you.
Work with the managers!<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span
style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Work with and encourage
app developers to ensure suitably tagged tracks do not
appear on public maps<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Cheers
– Phil (aka tastracks)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p>A path near me has a sign saying track closed... been there for
quite a while. Some bicycle riders have taken to that track,
modifying it for their use since that sign was put up. The sign is
now being vandalized and will soon be gone. The sign is at the
top, there is no sign at the bottom, the bicycle riders come down
hill at speed, I like to walk up as it suits a circuit I do. I
have removed a centre section of the track. In other places there
are signs stating bicycle riders are to stick to management trails
(ie for motor vehicles, not walking paths) and the fines are
~$3,000 ... yet to see any effort to really close that track nor
any policing.. If they had taken action to actual close the track
with barricades I'd have more respect and would map it as
'disused'.. but this is simple stupidity and I'll be leaving the
path in OSM. <br>
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