<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br clear="all"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 28 Sept 2023 at 11:25, cleary <<a href="mailto:osm@97k.com">osm@97k.com</a>> wrote:</div><div><br></div><div>All valid arguments, thanks.</div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
If everything is exaggerated so that villages are described as towns and towns as cities etc., then I think it just devalues the whole database on which the map is based.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I certainly see where you're coming from, but it would be good to do something that fixes the vast empty when you cross the Great Dividing Range: <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=7/-27.163/145.569">https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=7/-27.163/145.569</a></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
I'll be interested to read comments from other mappers.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>So would I, but so far there's apparently not too many interested in it?<br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks<div><br></div><div>Graeme</div></div><div><br></div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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On Thu, 28 Sep 2023, at 9:08 AM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:<br>
> Thanks!<br>
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> Yes, it probably shouldn't be a one size fits all equation.<br>
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> Against what you said, Rathdowney in SEQ, with ~1800 people, only has a <br>
> cafe / takeaway / store with a few grocery items, pub, currently closed <br>
> servo, all of police, RFS & (honourary) ambo, primary school, church/s <br>
> but it's a very popular day-trip tourist stop, so I would definitely <br>
> count it as a town.<br>
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> Most people travel 30k up the road to Beaudesert for a full range of <br>
> services, so that should possibly become a city?<br>
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> But Maroon, 20k the other way, with only a primary school & a RFS <br>
> station, would only be a village. <br>
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> Thanks<br>
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> Graeme<br>
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> On Thu, 28 Sept 2023 at 08:26, cleary <<a href="mailto:osm@97k.com" target="_blank">osm@97k.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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>> I agree that population is not necessarily the only factor but, in practice, population correlates closely with the services and facilities available in a location which is effectively the "relative importance", isn't it?<br>
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>> I presume you are considering putting bigger dots and bigger writing on the map for small settlements in isolated areas. Map renderers can do that for themselves if they wish. It is more important for OSM to show on-the-ground truth. If a small settlement has few services, then showing it as a town is misleading. <br>
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>> Windorah Qld and Ivanhoe NSW are both currently shown as "town" in OSM but neither has more than rudimentary health service (if any), a hotel, small primary school and service station. I couldn't buy a coffee in either place last time I visited. I don't think either place had even a small supermarket or convenience store. Unlikely to find a doctor. Probably wouldn't find a car mechanic, couldn't buy a new tyre if you needed one. The locals all travel a couple of hundred kilometres for shopping, health care etc. I find it very misleading to label these places as towns, just because they are the largest settlements in their respective vicinities. The towns are the places where people go to get the goods and services they need.<br>
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>> On Wed, 27 Sep 2023, at 2:18 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:<br>
>> > Have just raised this for discussion on both the Forum & Discord, so <br>
>> > also throwing it out here.<br>
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>> > <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Australian_Tagging_Guidelines#Tagging_towns_by_relative_importance%2C_not_just_population_size" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Australian_Tagging_Guidelines#Tagging_towns_by_relative_importance%2C_not_just_population_size</a><br>
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>> > Any thoughts or comments welcome, in any place!<br>
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>> > Thanks<br>
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>> > Graeme<br>
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