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<p>Some of these could be 'traveling stock routes' used in the old
days to drive cattle to market. <br>
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<p>Those are administered locally and 'public access' can be dicy
depending on past activities (eg littering) by 'the public'. Local
land owner can be 'defensive' from past livestock theft. <br>
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<p>Use with caution, possibly best to talk to the local council. <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/12/23 19:15, Daniel O'Connor
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<div dir="ltr">In SA, there are a number of "Unmade Road
Reserves". Where it gets a bit interesting is when someone
either illegally fences it off; or applies for it to be
transferred to them via something like Roads (Opening and
Closing) Regulations 2021.<br>
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Generally, I've mapped these were there is a path, track or
similar made by people, and where there are
gates/restrictions/similar; modelled what is seen on the
ground + left a note/sent email to various councils, who tend
to be terrible at replying.<br>
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You<i> could</i> map some of these as "highway: proposed" but
there may not be much value in it, since a lot of these have
been around for decades and never turned into roads or other
access because it is impractical.<br>
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The UK has a similar problem.<br>
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href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Access_provisions_in_the_United_Kingdom"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Access_provisions_in_the_United_Kingdom</a><br>
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<div><a
href="https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/35408/rights-of-way-mapping-united-kingdom"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/35408/rights-of-way-mapping-united-kingdom</a><br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at
5:15 PM Adam Horan <<a href="mailto:ahoran@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">ahoran@gmail.com</a>>
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<div dir="ltr">When comparing satellite imagery and various
maps on Vic Maps, you can find what seem to be road
corridors that don't have roads in them. (I'm looking on <a
href="https://vic.digitaltwin.terria.io/" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://vic.digitaltwin.terria.io/</a>
and <a href="https://mapshare.vic.gov.au/mapsharevic/"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://mapshare.vic.gov.au/mapsharevic/</a>
and when you show parcel data you can see these linear areas
that extend off the end of roads, usually in rural areas.
These linear areas do not show parcel information, unlike
the surrounding blocks)
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<div>They tend to be visible in sat imagery too as scrubby
or rougher land compared to the fields and paddocks around
them.</div>
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<div>I would love to be able to legally (and safely) use
these as walking and running routes in my surrounding
countryside, and also allow others to do so. They're
attractive as they're traffic free.</div>
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<div>I'll link to some examples below, but I'll ask my
questions here:</div>
<div>1. How can I validate if these are unbuilt roads, and
how can I check what the access is?</div>
<div>1a. I guess as these aren't main roads that they belong
to the local council?</div>
<div>2. If a path is already present then I can map that as
a simple path, but how could I map and tag the land?</div>
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<div>Cheers,</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Adam<br>
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Example 1 :
Lambert Road, Pearcedale<br>
<a
href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/-38.1829/145.2334"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/-38.1829/145.2334</a></div>
<div>If you look on VicMap you can see the corridor extends
to the west to meet with Middle Road.</div>
<div><a
href="https://vic.digitaltwin.terria.io/#share=s-2TIhhoK5rNdNfc4m2WxVtMMraiG"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://vic.digitaltwin.terria.io/#share=s-2TIhhoK5rNdNfc4m2WxVtMMraiG</a><br>
<a
href="https://www.bing.com/maps?cp=-38.182821%7E145.233097&lvl=17.8&style=h"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.bing.com/maps?cp=-38.182821%7E145.233097&lvl=17.8&style=h</a><br>
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<div>This one seems pretty clear to me as there's a nice
clear wooded line, when I recently passed this on Middle
Rd you could see an unfenced section.</div>
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<div>Example 2 : NW extension of 'Favorite Hill Rd' to North
Road</div>
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<div><a
href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/-38.17566/145.23470"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/-38.17566/145.23470</a><br>
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<div><a
href="https://vic.digitaltwin.terria.io/#share=s-5PIrhAi6EP5M1ivchIyH9lfyGxF"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://vic.digitaltwin.terria.io/#share=s-5PIrhAi6EP5M1ivchIyH9lfyGxF</a><br>
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<div><a
href="https://www.bing.com/maps?cp=-38.174379%7E145.236276&lvl=17.3&style=h"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.bing.com/maps?cp=-38.174379%7E145.236276&lvl=17.3&style=h</a><br>
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<div>This one is visible on sat imagery, however it does
seem to be fenced off from the established road.</div>
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