<div dir="ltr"><div>They responded a few days ago but, as we're travelling atm, I didn't have a chance to do anything about it.</div><div><br></div><div>Their response:</div><div><br></div><div>"<span style="font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">We
sincerely appreciate your efforts in bringing to our attention the
organised edits
rules and guidelines, of which we were previously unaware. We
acknowledge the necessity to adhere to these guidelines and commit to
creating a wiki page for our organised edits accordingly. However, we
kindly request some time to complete this task.</span>
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<div><span style="font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Regarding
our compliance with other editing rules, we are confident that we are
fully adhering to them. It's
important to note that our system utilises tools that rely on
OpenStreetMap data. Upon discovering numerous discrepancies in the NSW
speed zone data within OpenStreetMap, we initiated edits to rectify
these inconsistencies.</span></div>
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<div class="elementToProof"><span style="font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Our editing process follows a detailed verification procedure, outlined as follows:</span></div>
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<ol start="1" style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;list-style-type:decimal"><li style="font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<span style="font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">A driver reports a speed discrepancy on a specific road.</span></li><li style="font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<span style="font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">The driver report undergoes thorough verification and is escalated for further examination.</span></li><li style="font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<div class="elementToProof"><span style="font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">We utilise NSW Speed Data (<a href="https://opendata.transport.nsw.gov.au/dataset/speed-zones" id="gmail-LPlnk178828" class="gmail-OWAAutoLink" target="_blank">https://opendata.transport.nsw.gov.au/dataset/speed-zones</a>)
to verify the reported speed limit.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">If the claimed speed limit aligns with the NSW Speed Data, we proceed to update it in OpenStreetMap.</span></li><li style="font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<span style="font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Conversely,
if the reported speed limit does not match the NSW Speed Data, we
reject the claim. However, if multiple
drivers report the same speed limit discrepancy over time, we request
evidence from the drivers, often resulting in the provision of images
depicting posted speed limit signs. Based on this evidence, we update
the speed limits in OpenStreetMap accordingly.</span>
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<div class="elementToProof"><span style="font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">We
are eager to address any discrepancies that other mappers may have
reported concerning
the edits we have made. Could they kindly provide us with evidence to
facilitate a detailed investigation? This will enable us to reassess and
update our map editing processes as necessary.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Our primary objective in making these edits is to enhance the experience of our drivers and community. Therefore,
we welcome any suggestions or further discussion that would contribute to ensuring the accuracy of our edits."</span></div>
</div><div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div>Don't know if that answers the questions you have?<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I've suggested that they set up an account here to talk about what they are doing.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Thanks<div><br></div><div>Graeme</div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 27 Feb 2024 at 11:36, Graeme Fitzpatrick <<a href="mailto:graemefitz1@gmail.com">graemefitz1@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Message sent to User pointing out the OE Guidelines & also asking for their sources.</div><div><br></div><div>To f/up next week.<br></div><div><br></div><div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr">Thanks<div><br></div><div>Graeme</div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 at 22:10, Andy Townsend <<a href="mailto:ajt1047@gmail.com" target="_blank">ajt1047@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><u></u>
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<div>On 21/02/2024 11:45, Mark Pulley wrote:<br>
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I’ve got some further info on how this user has been editing (see
comment on changeset
<a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/117791362" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/117791362</a> )<br id="m_-2854210387100914258m_6555916254586958933lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage">
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<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><br>
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<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">In
short, Harsimranjit works for an un-named company. Unspecified
people can report an incorrect speed limit on a road segment,
it is verified (?how?) by someone else in the company, then
goes to Harsimranjit who checks the claimed speed limit change
with NSW Speed Zone Data, then if the NSW Speed Zone Data
matches the proposed change, the edit is made. This process
has obviously not worked in at least a few of these changesets
(the ones I found had been changed incorrectly).</div>
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<p>Separate to any other issues, at the very least, that company
should be following the organised editing guidelines. If you drop
an email to <a href="mailto:data@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">data@openstreetmap.org</a>, we can try and persuade them
to do so. I don't think we've had a ticket or report about this
particular one so far.</p>
<p>Best Regards,</p>
<p>Andy (from the DWG)</p>
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