<p dir="ltr">For maintaining POI, specifically businesses I see a lot of the value in the following use cases:</p>
<p dir="ltr">1) Phone, hours, website, maybe street address for existing nodes</p>
<p dir="ltr">1b) One of those details has changed, and the prior source was ATP, so one click update.</p>
<p dir="ltr">1c) Certain points make claims about extra attributes they have</p>
<p dir="ltr">2) Is there an X here, please survey or prove via street level imagery</p>
<p dir="ltr">3) Is there an X still here, flagged as explicitly closed<br></p>
<p dir="ltr">There's a very large amount of activity in the project and weekly data aggregation, so it's likely this is not a "one off", but ongoing feed of information.</p>
<br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jul 29, 2024, 11:09 AM Graeme Fitzpatrick <<a href="mailto:graemefitz1@gmail.com">graemefitz1@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>I've also wondered about using this data?</div><div><br></div><div>Just had a look at it though, clicked on a couple at random, & wondering if it'll be worth it?</div><div><br></div><div>e.g. 99 Bikes:3 missing, 5 mismatch, 4 tags to add but the missing & mismatch results seem to be that it's searching for
<99_bikes_au>, but they're already named as <99 Bikes>. It does also show opening hours & phone numbers for some of them so they could be added. <br><table><tbody><tr><td><br></td><td><br></td><td><br></td></tr></tbody></table>
</div><div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr">Thanks<div><br></div><div>Graeme</div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, 28 Jul 2024 at 18:19, Daniel O'Connor <<a href="mailto:daniel.oconnor@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">daniel.oconnor@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi all,</div><div>Wanted to open up a discussion thread about <a href="https://www.alltheplaces.xyz/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://www.alltheplaces.xyz/</a> and what we're comfortable with ingesting into OSM from it, if anything.</div><div><br></div><div><b>What is it?</b></div><div><a href="https://www.alltheplaces.xyz/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://www.alltheplaces.xyz/</a> is a set of scrapers that crawl various business' sites; and extracts data of interest to OSM (address, phone, etc).<b><br></b></div><div><br></div><div>Often, the businesses are publishing structured data under no particular licence (strong indicator they want it consumed), sometimes just presenting it in HTML etc.</div><div><br></div><div><b>Can we actually use it?<br></b><a href="https://osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licensing_Working_Group/Minutes/2023-08-14#Ticket%232023081110000064_%E2%80%94_First_party_websites_as_sources" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licensing_Working_Group/Minutes/2023-08-14#Ticket#2023081110000064_%E2%80%94_First_party_websites_as_sources<b><br></b></a></div><div><br></div><div>Probably? </div><div>Facts themselves aren't protected by copyright, there needs to be an expression of originality, etc. </div><div><a href="https://alacc.org.au/requirements-to-gain-copyright-protection/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://alacc.org.au/requirements-to-gain-copyright-protection/</a><br><a href="https://eprints.qut.edu.au/50425/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://eprints.qut.edu.au/50425/</a><br><a href="https://www.mondaq.com/australia/copyright/94168/no-copyright-protection-for-telephone-directories-telstra-v-phone-directories-company" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://www.mondaq.com/australia/copyright/94168/no-copyright-protection-for-telephone-directories-telstra-v-phone-directories-company</a><br></div><div>Telstra Corp Ltd v Phone Directories Co Pty Ltd (2010) 264 ALR 617 [340].<br></div><div><br></div><div>(If this has already been settled, specifically in an Australian context, great! I didn't see anything from a cursory search though)</div><div><br></div><div><b>If we decide to use it; how do we use it?</b></div><div>Obviously, wholesale import of data with no human review is more likely to cause a mess than not.</div><div><br>However, the comparison tools between OSM and ATP are being built out by various people; ie</div><a href="https://matkoniecz.codeberg.page/improving_openstreetmap_using_alltheplaces_dataset/#Australia" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://matkoniecz.codeberg.page/improving_openstreetmap_using_alltheplaces_dataset/#Australia</a><br><div>It's likely we'll end up with a way to do maproulette style tasks - one click add phone numbers or websites; maybe something a bit more involved for viewing if there is street view imagery available we can validate a particular store location or similar that is generally user friendly.</div><div><br></div><div><b>How much data is available?</b></div><div>Rough analysis for Australia; ~63782 facts, ranging from "missing place" to "here's a phone number"</div><div><br></div></div>
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