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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 29/7/24 11:39, Graeme Fitzpatrick
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        <div>I've also wondered about using this data?</div>
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        <div>Just had a look at it though, clicked on a couple at
          random, & wondering if it'll be worth it?</div>
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        <div>e.g. 99 Bikes:3 missing, 5 mismatch, 4 tags to add but the
          missing & mismatch results seem to be that it's searching
          for <99_bikes_au>, but they're already named as <99
          Bikes>. It does also show opening hours & phone numbers
          for some of them so they could be added. <br>
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    <p>I recently added one of these 99 Bikes .. as a brand. Looking at
      their website the 'name' looks to be 'brand' <location>. <br>
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    <p>I used; shop=bicycle, website=, service:bicycle:retail=yes,
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, 28 Jul 2024 at 18:19,
          Daniel O'Connor <<a href="mailto:daniel.oconnor@gmail.com"
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            <div>Hi all,</div>
            <div>Wanted to open up a discussion thread about <a
                href="https://www.alltheplaces.xyz/" target="_blank"
                moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.alltheplaces.xyz/</a>
              and what we're comfortable with ingesting into OSM from
              it, if anything.</div>
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            <div><b>What is it?</b></div>
            <div><a href="https://www.alltheplaces.xyz/" target="_blank"
                moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.alltheplaces.xyz/</a>
              is a set of scrapers that crawl various business' sites;
              and extracts data of interest to OSM (address, phone,
              etc).<b><br>
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            <div>Often, the businesses are publishing structured data
              under no particular licence (strong indicator they want it
              consumed), sometimes just presenting it in HTML etc.</div>
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            <div><b>Can we actually use it?<br>
              </b><a
href="https://osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licensing_Working_Group/Minutes/2023-08-14#Ticket%232023081110000064_%E2%80%94_First_party_websites_as_sources"
                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licensing_Working_Group/Minutes/2023-08-14#Ticket#2023081110000064_%E2%80%94_First_party_websites_as_sources<b><br>
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            <div>Probably? </div>
            <div>Facts themselves aren't protected by copyright, there
              needs to be an expression of originality, etc. </div>
            <div><a
href="https://alacc.org.au/requirements-to-gain-copyright-protection/"
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                class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://alacc.org.au/requirements-to-gain-copyright-protection/</a><br>
              <a href="https://eprints.qut.edu.au/50425/"
                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://eprints.qut.edu.au/50425/</a><br>
              <a
href="https://www.mondaq.com/australia/copyright/94168/no-copyright-protection-for-telephone-directories-telstra-v-phone-directories-company"
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                class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.mondaq.com/australia/copyright/94168/no-copyright-protection-for-telephone-directories-telstra-v-phone-directories-company</a><br>
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            <div>Telstra Corp Ltd v Phone Directories Co Pty Ltd (2010)
              264 ALR 617 [340].<br>
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            <div>(If this has already been settled, specifically in an
              Australian context, great! I didn't see anything from a
              cursory search though)</div>
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            <div><b>If we decide to use it; how do we use it?</b></div>
            <div>Obviously, wholesale import of data with no human
              review is more likely to cause a mess than not.</div>
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              However, the comparison tools between OSM and ATP are
              being built out by various people; ie</div>
            <a
href="https://matkoniecz.codeberg.page/improving_openstreetmap_using_alltheplaces_dataset/#Australia"
              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
              class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://matkoniecz.codeberg.page/improving_openstreetmap_using_alltheplaces_dataset/#Australia</a><br>
            <div>It's likely we'll end up with a way to do maproulette
              style tasks - one click add phone numbers or websites;
              maybe something a bit more involved for viewing if there
              is street view imagery available we can validate a
              particular store location or similar that is generally
              user friendly.</div>
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            <div><b>How much data is available?</b></div>
            <div>Rough analysis for Australia; ~63782 facts, ranging
              from "missing place" to "here's a phone number"</div>
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