<div dir="ltr">We have natural=gorge <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural%3Dgorge">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural%3Dgorge</a> documented for a canyon. It's not mentioned on that page but on natural=valley <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural%3Dvalley">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural%3Dvalley</a> it recommends to have one way for the waterway and another way for the valley sharing nodes, so I would do the same for natural=gorge.<div><br></div><div>Then you'd have the canyon name on the way with natural=gorge, and if the creek really has no name then leave the name off the waterway.</div><div><br></div><div>You have to make a call if those "made up" creek names like "Firefly Creek" are in sufficient use to justify applying them to the waterway.</div><div><br></div><div>I was also thinking if we separately set official_name <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:official_name">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:official_name</a> where the name is in the GNR. It's just that the current use of that tag is only where there is a different official name to the one signposted/in common use.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 27 Jan 2025 at 22:09, Tom Brennan <<a href="mailto:website@ozultimate.com">website@ozultimate.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">There are quite a few unnamed creeks in the Blue Mountains that have canyons in them. The canyons have names.<br>
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In some cases these creeks are just given the canyon name eg<br>
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* Coachwood Canyon: <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/210714163" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/210714163</a><br>
* Closet Canyon: <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/402128556" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/402128556</a><br>
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In other cases, the creek is given a name like <Canyon Name> Canyon Creek eg:<br>
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* Firefly Canyon Creek: <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/210707878" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/210707878</a><br>
* Newnes (Starlight) Canyon Creek: <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/210711464" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/210711464</a><br>
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Neither of these seems ideal to me.<br>
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In the case of the first examples, the canyon generally makes up a very small part of the creek.<br>
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In the case of the second example, the names seem clunky and made up. I'd be more inclined to use "Firefly Creek" rather than "Firefly Canyon Creek", in the same way that many canyons are just given the name of the creek eg<br>
* Dalpura Creek -> Dalpura Canyon (<a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/630408810" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/630408810</a>)<br>
* Yileen Gully -> Yileen Canyon<br>
* Fortress Creek -> Fortress Canyon<br>
Of course they are still "made up" names!<br>
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The canyon names generally have acceptance in the outdoor community so I'm not fussed about that. My question is how best to construct a creek name for an unnamed creek, given the canyon name. And to then apply it consistently!<br>
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cheers<br>
Tom<br>
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Canyoning? try <a href="http://ozultimate.com/canyoning" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://ozultimate.com/canyoning</a><br>
Bushwalking? try <a href="http://bushwalkingnsw.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bushwalkingnsw.com</a><br>
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