<div dir="auto">Dear Frederik,<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Hope this finds you well. Great to hear from you! </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I'm Tasauf aka Ribin from OSM Bangladesh community. You might remember me having a discusion with you about data quality, possible vandalism & your advice on that at Heidelberg during SotM. However, I have been involved with OSM in Bangladesh since 2014 & now leading the community's coordination groups. I'm also a board member of HOT. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Just to clear up you queries one by one:</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">1. Most of the people in Bangladesh using internet/map understands the names written in English as English is the second language used from the primary education system. Though in case of writing they preffer to write it as Bangla on Roman script as using bangla keyboard is not yet much popular for the general population. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The population under 50 mostly using internet considering both high & avarage educated people do understands & can communicate in basic English while in written but while speaking Bangla is the native. But also have to keep in mind a good bit of english word stock is found on the conversations. People over 50 unless educated are not that much of popular user of internet/ maps. We are still on a verge to institutionalize Bangla in our official use but not even at the half of the way. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Personally I would love to see Bangla everywhere but using Bangla is more of an argument of emotion than use case for us for the time being & having changeset discussions/ tagging in Bangla is a good to have rather than a necessity in this stage. Also to keep in mind, even the translation engines often have ambiguous/ inappropriate results as not a lot being done at backend. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Most of the signages on the roads of the city Uses both English & Bangla on them, though a significant number has only English nameplates. There are a few only Bangla signboards too visible. If you go to the rural part you will find more only Bangla signage appearing on the scenerio.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">2. OSM was introduced in Bangladesh back in 2011. The more coordinated community based approach started from 2015 and OSM Bangladesh Foundation has been legally formed & registered at 2018. As of now anyone contributing to OSM in Bangladesh is considered a member of the foudation though a coordination board is present for handling the legal & organizational proceedures while a team of 45+ mappers/developers mostly known as "BHOOT" s are coordinating the technical, data & volunteer engagement part. The foundation remains open to any individual suggesting / get involved on the regular discussions. The State of the Map Asia held in Dhaka is hosted by the foundation earlier this month where 500+ osm contributors gathered togather. Also, discussions being made to push OSMBDF applying under OSMF local chapter for better calibration. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The OSMBD community including the foundation itself has been having discussions/ updates channeled through the facebook group <a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/osmbd">https://www.facebook.com/groups/osmbd</a> rather than the website itself. So, going through that might give you better storyline.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">3. As part of mailing list ettiquete you can eaither use the first or last name of a person you want to address. Having Mr. On salutation with the last name is more formal approach. Usually, in Bangladesh we put Bhai(M) & Apu(F) after the first name as general casual referencing to a person in group. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Hope these resolves all the basic queries you have. Will gladly try to cooperate more if you need any.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Thanks for being in touch.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Tasauf (Ribin) </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"> </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"> </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, 23 Nov 2019, 5:05 am Frederik Ramm, <<a href="mailto:frederik@remote.org">frederik@remote.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hello everyone,<br>
<br>
the Data Working Group has been made aware of this discussion. I am from<br>
Germany and I have very little knowledge about Bangladesh, so I would<br>
initially like to ask three basic questions that will help me understand<br>
the situation:<br>
<br>
1. What is the status of English in everyday life in Bangladesh? Can<br>
everyone who uses the Internet also communicate in written English, or<br>
would a requirement of "please write your changeset comment in English"<br>
exclude certain parts of the population? Also, what about signage - will<br>
signs with street names or city names contain Bangla, English, or both<br>
names?<br>
<br>
For comparison, here in Germany, while nowadays most kids learn English<br>
at school, a significant portion of people who are 50 years or older<br>
would not be able to communicate in English unless they had higher<br>
education.<br>
<br>
2. What is the relationship between the "OpenStreetMap Bangladesh<br>
Foundation" and the mapper community in Bangladesh? How many mappers are<br>
members in the OSMBDF? How can mappers join the organisation, and how do<br>
they democratically influence what the OSMBDF does? I checked the web<br>
site but I found no information about that.<br>
<br>
3. A general question about mailing list etiquette. Is it usual, in<br>
mailing list discussions in Bangladesh, to refer to other participants<br>
with their last name? If you were to reply to my post with "Dear Mr<br>
Ramm", would that be (a) normal, (b) an expression of respect, or (c) an<br>
expression of "you are not part of my group so I will not use your first<br>
name"?<br>
<br>
Bye<br>
Frederik<br>
<br>
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