I think there were no rules about how the old gemeente/commune were joined together. It was done with taking into account cultural, political, and financial arguments. <br><br>I think there is no differienciation between gemeente/commune and city/town/ville/stad. A city/stad/ville in Belgium is a gemeente/commune with some distinction, but there is no legal diffecientation between them. In consequence, I don't see why we shoud use the admin_level=town. <br>
<br>Deelgemeenten and disctrict are used in Antwerp, in Liege there is also some differenciation for the organisation inside the commune/gemeente (CPAS, service population/dienst bevolking, ...). Wijk/quartier seem more informal: I also wonder if this is really an "administrative border". <br>
<br>I also suggest that we vote for such proposition... I think it makes sense in the life of the community, because this is a topic were we could discuss a lot...<br><br>Julien<br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/6/8 Maarten Deen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mdeen@xs4all.nl">mdeen@xs4all.nl</a>></span><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div class="im">On Wed, 8 Jun 2011 12:10:17 +0200, Julien Fastré wrote:<br>
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What are "towns" and "suburbs" in Belgium ?<br>
<br>
In Liège, as far as I know, old communes are now the name of some<br>
"quartiers" (i do not know the word in english). If I would map them,<br>
I would use the disctrict/deelgemeentes/section level... But maybe I<br>
am wrong...<br>
</blockquote>
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Looking a bit further, it could be that in Belgium towns are synonymous with deelgemeentes. At least when I look at <<a href="http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lijst_van_gemeenten_in_het_Vlaams_Gewest" target="_blank">http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lijst_van_gemeenten_in_het_Vlaams_Gewest</a>>.<br>
<br>
This would suggest that before the communal reshufflings in 1960-1970, a gemeente/commune would only consist of one town. Is that true?<br>
That's a bit different from the Netherlands where there were (also in the past) almost always more than one town in a gemeente.<br>
And then the info in the belgian page (which I have also put on the global page) would be complete.<br>
<br>
Maarten<br>
<br>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="im">
2011/6/8 Maarten Deen<br>
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</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="im">
On Wed, 8 Jun 2011 11:22:28 +0200, Andre Engels wrote:<br>
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</div><div><div></div><div class="h5"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Maarten Deen wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Don't have much time to reply, so a short one:<br>
<br>
Always look at the country specific page to get the answers.<br>
The<br>
international<br>
page is just there for some "guiding", but the countries<br>
have to make<br>
their<br>
own rules. As is the case for Belgium.<br>
<br>
country: level 2<br>
regions: level 4<br>
communities: level 5<br>
provinces: level 6<br>
arrondissements: level 7<br>
municipalities: level 8<br>
district/deelgemeentes/sections: level 9<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
Then why is this information not on the international page?<br>
There is<br>
absolutely no reason to have conflicting information on a<br>
wiki.<br>
In this list I am missing single towns. A municipality<br>
consists of multiple<br>
towns. Should it not be: municipality:8, town:9,<br>
district/deelgemeentes/sections:10?<br>
I assume 10 can be used for sububurbs/wijken too? (does<br>
Belgium have that<br>
concept like the Netherlands?)<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
'Deelgemeente' in Belgium is a different concept than in the<br>
Netherlands. They are former municipalities, which in the 1960s<br>
or<br>
1970s have fused into larger municipalities. Thus, a<br>
deelgemeente/district/section is more like a town than like a<br>
wijk.<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
Ok, I've also looked at wikipedia, to me it seems that from low<br>
admin_level to high it should be:<br>
- Municipality (Gemeente/Commune)<br>
- Deelgemeente/district<br>
- Town<br>
- Suburb (Wijk)<br>
<br>
That would then suggest that everything from region down should be<br>
dropped one admin_level:<br>
<br>
country: level 2<br>
regions: level 3<br>
communities: level 4<br>
provinces: level 5<br>
arrondissements: level 6<br>
municipalities: level 7<br>
district/deelgemeentes/sections: level 8<br>
town: level 9<br>
suburb: level 10<br>
<br>
Or start using admin_level=11.<br>
<br>
Maarten<br>
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