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<font face="Verdana">Thanks all, for the help and the pointers.<br>
Kind regards,<br>
Koen<br>
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Jo wrote:
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cite="mid:CAJ6DwMAGR_zrp-t4YL6R5be+Dsb+GV_maFRGAnLvsOUwX3EKfA@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">Hi Koen,<br>
<br>
We are not lawyers, but the whole idea of having a freely
available map is to enable the use you are describing. The whole
project is in the process of changing the license to ODBL.
Normally this should be good news, as it's meant to clarify how
the data can be used. I'm afraid you're going to have to wade
through some wiki pages and maybe ask your questions and describe
your doubts on <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:legal-talk@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">legal-talk@openstreetmap.org</a>.<br>
<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Database_License"
target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Database_License</a><br>
<br>
Basically what it all comes down to is that you have to put a
mention somewhere accompanying the map or the data to accredit the
Openstreetmap project and that you have to license your
improvements to the data under the same license.<br>
<br>
Of course you can PRESENT a mix of both OSM data and proprietary
data. The easiest way is probably to work with layers in that
case. It's not a problem that the application doing the combining
and the presenting is proprietary, as long as credit is given
where credit is due.<br>
<br>
Oh, I see Gerard already described it a lot more eloquently than I
did...<br>
<br>
On the input side, I think it's best your contributors all create
OSM accounts and enter their data directly into the OSM database.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
<br>
Jo<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">2011/8/22 Koen Mannaerts [<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://fietsnet.be"
target="_blank">fietsnet.be</a>] <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:koen@fietsnet.be"
target="_blank">koen@fietsnet.be</a>></span><br>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> <font face="Verdana">Hi
Jo</font>, Kurt,<br>
<br>
Thanks heaps for helping!<br>
<br>
The most pressing question is about the OSM license. I'm
still not entirely sure what OSM considers a derivative or
produced work.<br>
The idea is that our contributors will extend, complete or
correct the OSM map, as far as trajectory information is
concerned: nodes, the rcn relationships, highway, bicycle,
foot keyvalues, ...<br>
Periodically, Fietsnet will import all this data, connect it
to other sources (external like meteo and event poi's,
internal like statistics and usage data), and generate graph
and track tiles. These binary tiles will be used by the
publicly available, yet proprietary, routeplanner
application.<br>
<br>
I'm not sure OSM's license allows for this scenario.<br>
<br>
Kind regards,<br>
<font color="#888888"> <br>
Koen</font>
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Jo wrote:
<blockquote type="cite">Hi Koen,<br>
<br>
That is great news! We always like to work together
with other groups. Many of the cycle node networks
(fietsknooppuntennetwerken) are already in OSM, but
more eyes and hands will certainly improve the map. We
have many more of the small roads
(wandelpaden/fietspaden) than Googlemaps, so I believe
it will be a lot better as a background layer for your
route planner.<br>
<br>
If you want to organise a presentation for your
members, I'd be happy to come and explain how to enter
the data (preferably with JOSM, since it is a lot more
convenient to enter route relations). I can also
explain how to convert a selection of routes into a
gpx file, which can then be used in a GPS device for
navigation.<br>
<br>
I can also offer help with 'importing' the data from
your GIS to OSM as a semi automated process.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
<br>
Jo<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">2011/8/21 Koen Mannaerts [<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://fietsnet.be"
target="_blank">fietsnet.be</a>] <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:koen@fietsnet.be" target="_blank">koen@fietsnet.be</a>></span><br>
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0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204,
204);padding-left:1ex">Hi, I'm Koen from
Fietsnet.be. Since 2007 Fietsnet is a rather
popular routeplanner for the cycle node network in
Belgium and the South of the Netherlands. It's an
independent and non-commercial project by
cyclists.<br>
<br>
Currently we maintain our spatial information in a
private GIS, but we're considering to shift this
toOpenStreetMap. Using OSM may enable new
opportunities for the Fietsnet routeplanner, such
as covering a larger area, deviating from the
established cycle node networks, creating
turn-by-turn navigation instructions and using
richer road attributes. OSM may also benefit from
this initiative, as Fietsnet has a large user base
of active cyclists and we've set up a process to
reliably translate user feedback in an adapted
map. I.e. we may change our process to quickly
adapt and sanitize OSM data based on our current
data and user feedback.<br>
<br>
We're new to OSM, and we have a lot of practical,
technical and legal questions about this move, too
many and too boring to include in this message.
If you have experience with OSM, and are willing
to help us out in one of these area's, it would be
fantastic if you'd send us a <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:mail%3Ameewerken@fietsnet.be"
target="_blank">mail:meewerken@fietsnet.be</a>
<mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:meewerken@fietsnet.be"
target="_blank">meewerken@fietsnet.be</a>>.<br>
<br>
Let's do this!<br>
<font color="#888888"> <br>
--<br>
Koen Mannaerts | <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://fietsnet.be" target="_blank">fietsnet.be</a><br>
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