<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/8/29 Ben Laenen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:benlaenen@gmail.com" target="_blank">benlaenen@gmail.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class="im">On Wednesday 29 August 2012 13:54:32 Sander Deryckere wrote:<br>
> I would like to discuss the naming of the arrondissements in Belgium.<br>
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> 1. When people refer to "Antwerpen", they might mean the province or the<br>
<div class="im">> city, but never the arrondissement.<br>
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</div>That's mainly because we never ever talk about arrondissements at all :-)<br></blockquote><div><br>It's also why I want to make it clear it's an arrondissement. If people see the name "Brugge" without Arrondissement near it, only few people (or nobody) will think it's the arrondissement you mean. <br>
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<div class="im"><br>
> If they mean the arrondissement,<br>
> that's always mentioned. And I believe that the name tag should reflect<br>
> what people use to refer to the object.<br>
</div>> 2. This is also in the choice of the names of Wikipedia articles: They<br>
> name the articles Antwerpen<br>
> (stad)<<a href="https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antwerpen_%28stad%29" target="_blank">https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antwerpen_%28stad%29</a>>and<br>
> Antwerpen<br>
> (provincie) <<a href="https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antwerpen_%28provincie%29" target="_blank">https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antwerpen_%28provincie%29</a>>,<br>
<div class="im">> so the appended (stad) or (provincie) is just a clarification. But the<br>
> article of the arrondissement gets the name Arrondissement<br>
</div>> Antwerpen<<a href="https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrondissement_Antwerpen" target="_blank">https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrondissement_Antwerpen</a>>which<br>
<div class="im">> means it's part of the name.<br>
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</div>I wouldn't take every little thing on wikipedia as absolute fact. I wonder if<br>
they've thought about it themselves. And should it be "Arrondissement" or what<br>
we usually mean with these: "Bestuurlijk arrondissement". Also, if you look at<br>
<a href="http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antwerpen_%28gerechtelijk_arrondissement%29" target="_blank">http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antwerpen_%28gerechtelijk_arrondissement%29</a> or at<br>
<a href="http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrondissement_Antwerpen" target="_blank">http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrondissement_Antwerpen</a> -- if they thought it<br>
was part of the name they'd have to capitalize the word, which they don't.<br>
<br>
If you look at the website of the province of Antwerp:<br>
<a href="http://www.provant.be/bestuur/grondgebied/" target="_blank">http://www.provant.be/bestuur/grondgebied/</a> it says: "Verdeeld in drie<br>
bestuurlijke arrondissementen, Antwerpen, Mechelen en Turnhout"<br>
If it were really part of the name, one would have to repeat "arrondissement"<br>
each time.<br></blockquote><div><br>West-Flanders lists them completely: <a href="http://www.west-vlaanderen.be/provincie/beleid_bestuur/gemeenten/Pages/default.aspx">http://www.west-vlaanderen.be/provincie/beleid_bestuur/gemeenten/Pages/default.aspx</a> the same for Flemish-Brabant <a href="http://www.vlaamsbrabant.be/over-de-provincie/kennismaking/grondgebied-kaartmateriaal/gemeenten-vlaams-brabant/index.jsp">http://www.vlaamsbrabant.be/over-de-provincie/kennismaking/grondgebied-kaartmateriaal/gemeenten-vlaams-brabant/index.jsp</a>. I didn't find other provinces listing their arrondissements.<br>
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> 3. We can't expect non-OSM members to learn the mapping of the different<br>
<div class="im">> admin_levels. So if someone searches the Kerkstraat in Brugge, and they<br>
> return with a result of the Kerkstraat in Heist inside Brugge, they<br>
> could wrongly think that they have the right street. While if the result<br>
> would show the Kerkstraat is in Heist, arrondissement Brugge, the user<br>
> might know it's wrong.<br>
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</div>I don't consider this too much of an issue. If you search a place in OSM,<br>
you'll now get the whole list municipality - arrondissement - province -<br>
region - country.<br>
<div class="im"><br></div></blockquote><div><br>Isn't it a bit strange if municipality, arrondissement and province all have the same name? I think having something like "Arrondissement" in the name would make it clear at which point in the hierarchy you've arrived. <br>
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> 4. Some people want to index the streets per city (to have a quicker<br>
> search). Because other countries use different admin_levels for their<br>
> city boundaries, the only current way is searching the city node and the<br>
> boundary that goes with it by the name tag. By using the city name for the<br>
> arrondissements, these tools could get confused. (this last part is mainly<br>
> the fault of Germany, where different admin_levels are used for different<br>
> importance of cities). This also makes that Nominatim can't automatically<br>
> add "Arrondissement" to make the search result of #3 more clear.<br>
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> Off coarse, setting the name to "Arrondissement Antwerpen" also makes the<br>
> life of the mapper a bit easier (it's easier to browse through the<br>
> different boundary relations), but this is of lesser importance than having<br>
> the right data.<br>
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</div>For once, I don't think we should consider the mapper too much here: once<br>
these boundaries are mapped, that's it, they shouldn't really be touched<br>
anymore.<br></blockquote><div><br>That's also why I said it was of lesser importance. <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Ben<br>
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