<div class="gmail_quote">2012/11/28 A.Pirard.Papou <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:A.Pirard.Papou@gmail.com" target="_blank">A.Pirard.Papou@gmail.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>Hi,<br>
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I made a round up of 50++ OpenStreetBugs Zone30 POIs.<br>
Many around Micheroux down to Fléron were already tagged,
excellent.<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br>They were tagged with maxspeed=30. Whether this maxspeed came from zone30 (F4a) or simply from a round red sign with 30 inside it, cannot be determined. Therefore I prefer to add source:maxspeed=zone30 to those ways as well.<br>
<br>Additionally it's interesting to know whether a road is within city limits/built-up area/bebouwde kom/<b>agglomération</b><br><br>After posting about this on the tagging or general talk mailing lists, it became apparent the difference was denoted with:<br>
<br>zone:traffic=BE:urban<br><br>and<br><br>
zone:traffic=BE:rural.<br><br>You saw this message, as you reacted to it saying that it was such a great find.<br>
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But not so up the valley Vesdre, up to Verviers and Near Beaufays.<br>
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So that nobody examine the same "bugs" again, I added a comment
"missing Zone 30" that a hovering mouse shows and I suggest you
leave a similar trace too.<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br>I'm not sure I understand this. Do you mean there are more zone30 than the ones we know about in Openstreetbugs now? <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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But I remembered how vaguely someone not aware of mapping requests
changes.<br>
I thought there's a better idea to make them understand what
information we need and how to transmit it. It's to write a Web
page whose URL would be in the comment or anywhere (I hoped it
would be clickable but it is not, but if you select it, nice
Firefox will allow clicking).<br>
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So, I started writing <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:WikiProject_Belgium/Help_us" target="_blank">this
"Help us" general page supposed to expl</a><a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:WikiProject_Belgium/Help_us" target="_blank">ain
several things that the general Belgian can do to help our
project</a>. (In French because these POIs are for the people
of Wallonia to read).<br>
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What do you think?<br>
Should I continue this page?<br>
Would you help?<br>
Can we put its URL in the OSB comments?<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br>I'm reluctant to change all these Openstreetbugs once more (except to indicate they are solved). They are mostly there to get an overview of where works needs to be done on the Openstreetmap data. I think it's sufficient you refer to them from your web page. It's improbable enough somebody is going to stumble on a bug by accident and not knowing what to do with it.<br>
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On 2012-11-26 11:32, Jo wrote :<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">The category in OSMOSE is simply called
Openstreetbugs. </blockquote></div>
OK. It was filtered out :-(<br></div></blockquote><div> </div><div>tick the checkbox in front of it... <br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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But those OSMOSE alerts are useless because they don't show the
comments.</div></blockquote><div><br>untick it once more.<br><br>the easiest way to work with OSB is to add the plugin to JOSM, so you can go back and forth between layers within one application. <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<blockquote type="cite">I went to have a look at some of the bugs you solved
and I think it's important to add why there is a speed limit of 30
or 50.<br>
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As I write above, I did not tag any bug. I just marked those that
were already tagged.</div></blockquote><div><br>But they were not tagged with complete information. If we are going to solve bugs, it seems better to me to do it properly right away. <br><br><a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/193218277" target="_blank">http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/193218277</a><br>
<br><a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/55822233" target="_blank">http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/55822233</a><br><br>There's no rush.<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<blockquote type="cite">If the limit comes from a zoneXX or built-up area.
There are other traffic rules that are affected by this as well.<br>
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Where is the Belgian Web page where those who have added those tags
should have read how the Belgian OSM community has decided to tag
areas and speed limits in Belgium?<br></div></blockquote><div><br>Somebody still needs to write it.<br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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In particular, what is the definition of the "built-up" area you
speak of?<br></div></blockquote><div><br> <b>2.12. :</b> Le terme <b>"agglomération"</b> désigne un espace qui
comprend des immeubles bâtis et dont les accès sont indiqués par les
signaux F1 et les sorties par les signaux F3.</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
<blockquote type="cite">...<div><br>
Also I think BE needs to be all caps. 'be' stands for the language
Byelorussian to me (I probably spen. When I look at taginfo I
notice that DE etc. is also all caps.<br>
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Both ISO 3166 (country) and ISO 639 (language) specify
case-insensitive codes.<br>
Lowercase is usually used. Context must always distinguish
countries and languages.<br>
As well as Shakespeare's "2 be or not 2 BE" :-)<br>
Although you could, you do not type talk-BE nor taxonweb.BE (1).<br>
You may have noticed that most of the DNS names are written in
lowercase.<br>
Unix uses lowercase and uppercase is a Windows' habit being laughed
at ;-)<br>
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<table border="1" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="2">
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<tr>
<td valign="top"><br>
</td>
<td valign="top">country<br>
</td>
<td valign="top">language<br>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top">Belgium<br>
</td>
<td valign="top">be<br>
</td>
<td valign="top">fr, nl, de<br>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top">Белоруссия<br>
</td>
<td valign="top">by<br>
</td>
<td valign="top">ru, be<br>
</td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
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</div></div></blockquote><div>It's more of a convention I got used to while working on Wiktionary/Wikipedia. When I look at taginfo I see DE and FI are used, which makes sense to me. If you insist to use be:urban, I'll have to change my style sheet to do regex matches. I'd prefer to keep things simple though, so it works on older hardware as well.<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">I created a mapcss file that works well together with
the maxspeed.mapcss. It adds an extra white border to streets
within built-up area and a black one outside. An extra brown
border is added to streets that are part of a zone30/50/70.<br>
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Glad to know you did. But what is it for? Do you maintain a speed
limit map and where is it?<br></div></blockquote><div><br>If you want a speed limit map, there is one here:<br><br><a href="http://maxspeed.openstreetmap.nl/" target="_blank">http://maxspeed.openstreetmap.nl/</a><br>
<br>I don't maintain that one.<br>
<br>In JOSM you can install style sheets. These are simple text files, which can be on your local hard drive or they can be hosted on the JOSM wiki.<br><br>F12/ 3rd tab/ Map Paint Styles tab<br>Select Maxspeed and click on the triangle to install it locally<br>
<br>To add the style sheet I created, click on the +, give it a name, and point it to a text file with the contents of that style.<br><br><blockquote style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote">
meta <br>{<br> title: "Built-up area/Zone30";<br> description: "Highlight built-up area/city_limits. Works well together with the maxspeed style";<br> version: "1.5_2012-11-04";<br> author: "Polyglot";<br>
link: "<a href="http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Styles/Built-up_area" target="_blank">http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Styles/Built-up_area</a>";<br>
min-josm-version: "5198";<br>}<br>meta[lang=nl]<br>
{<br>
title: "Bebouwde kom/Zone30";<br>
description: "Markeer duidelijk of een straat binnen of buiten de bebouwde kom ligt. Deze stijl vult de Maxspeed stijl aan";<br>
}<br>
meta[lang=fr]<br>
{<br>
title: "Agglomérations/Zone30";<br>
description: "Marquage du fait qu'une rue se trouve dans une agglomération ou zoneXX. Fonctionne bien comme complément du style Maxspeed";<br>
}<br>
way["zone:traffic"="BE:urban"]<blockquote class="gmail_quote">::built-up_area<br>
{z-index: -5;<br> casing-width: 7;<br> casing-color: #FFFFFF;<br> casing-opacity: 0.8;<br> }<br>way["zone:traffic"="BE:rural"]::built-up_area<br> {z-index: -5;<br> casing-width: 7;<br> casing-color: #000000;<br>
casing-opacity: 0.8;<br> }<br>way["source:maxspeed"=zone30]::zoneXX<br> {z-index: -6;<br> casing-width: 10;<br> casing-color: brown;<br> casing-opacity: 0.8;<br> }<br>way["source:maxspeed"=zone50]::zoneXX<br>
{z-index: -6;<br> casing-width: 10;<br> casing-color: brown;<br> casing-opacity: 0.8;<br> }<br>way["source:maxspeed"=zone70]::zoneXX<br> {z-index: -6;<br> casing-width: 10;<br> casing-color: brown;<br> casing-opacity: 0.8;<br>
}<br>node[note]<br> {text: note;<br> text-color: red;<br> text-halo-radius: 3;<br> font-size: 16;<br> }</blockquote></blockquote><br><br>I didn't add that style to the JOSM wiki yet, so it can't be installed automatically at the moment. First I'd like to find out whether this way of tagging is the one we will be using from now on (In Belgium and on an international level). I'd also like to get some feedback on the use of colors and line widths. Let's say, it's still work in progress<br>
<br>The maxspeed style (<a href="http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Styles/Maxspeed" target="_blank">http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Styles/Maxspeed</a>) uses 10 as the width for the coloured line indicating the speed limit.<br>
My style adds a white or black border (casing) to that of 1 pixel and another brown border of 1 pixel for zone30/50/70. Possibly there are better colour combinations?<br><br>Polyglot<br>
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