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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2012-12-22 15:23, Sander Deryckere
wrote :<br>
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cite="mid:CABUOUO9x9v-7Xnp_Zc6rcWdP3c8LfMoN3EuiYcR3zpCL7hMNHA@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">...<br>
Now, how many addresses would be missing. We can't assume Belgium
has 11 million addresses, as many people live together. So I
searched other data. The number of addresses in Belgium seems
impossible to find, but I did find the number of families in
Belgium: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.centrumvoorsociaalbeleid.be/indicatoren/index.php?q=node/176">http://www.centrumvoorsociaalbeleid.be/indicatoren/index.php?q=node/176</a>.
I assume that the number of addresses must be about the same.
There are addresses without families (like firms) and multiple
families living in one apartment with one address (but often
different post boxes). <br>
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<div id="logo"> <img src="cid:part2.07010602.03010301@gmail.com"
alt="bpost" height="31" width="51" border="0" align="left">(of
course) is maintaining a database of the number of mailboxes per
distribution area, so that the people doing mass mailing, like
printers, know how many mail items to provide. </div>
It's free, but you need to subscribe here to access the service.<br>
<a href="http://www.bpost.be/distripost/outil_de_reservation.html">http://www.bpost.be/distripost/outil_de_reservation.html</a><br>
<a href="http://www.bpost.be/distripost/reservatietool.html">http://www.bpost.be/distripost/reservatietool.html</a><br>
This subscription, including receiving snail mail and a password,
looks like the business status of the requester is verified. I'll
send by private e-mail to anyone requesting it within next week a
more descriptive French text written by a user for his customers. I
could have a peek at the data and I can describe it as OSM valuable.<br>
<br>
<a
href="http://www.theux.be/ma-commune/services-communaux/population-etat-civil/statistiques/s/12/hab-par-rue-010112.pdf">Also,
I came across this file</a>. I couldn't find the same for other
municipalities, but it's format makes me think that it's data that
each administration must or should maintain and that it could be
available on request. I could blast the PDF and get each street on
one line of t.txt.<br>
perl -ne 'print if s/(\d+)\/(\d+) (.*?)\s+(\d+)$/$1,$2,$3,$4/' t.txt
> t.asc<br>
did the rest and I pasted t.asc in a spreadsheet.<br>
I made a additional column to contain the village/hamlet name and a
simple SUMIF per area is adding up the persons count for each of
them.<br>
<br>
I welcome under this subject any feedback regarding both sources.<br>
<br>
Given mailboxes and population counts, you might find that their
ratio is fairly constant, maybe after separating mainly urban vs
rural statistics.<br>
<br>
<blockquote
cite="mid:CABUOUO9x9v-7Xnp_Zc6rcWdP3c8LfMoN3EuiYcR3zpCL7hMNHA@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite"><b>How to map?</b><br>
<br>
There's also a lot of armchair mapping that can be done. First of
all, all that streetnames that need to be added. People are better
in guessing the right streetname, and if there's doubt, just add a
fixme tag.<br>
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I often do that and I had just did it the day before you wrote
this. <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.restaurant">www.restaurant</a> indicated 6, street X and when I curiously
checked with GoogleMaps: it did not know the restaurant, located 6,
street X very far away from there and called street X street Y.<br>
Conclusion: beware: some people don't know where they are living!!!
;-)<br>
<blockquote
cite="mid:CABUOUO9x9v-7Xnp_Zc6rcWdP3c8LfMoN3EuiYcR3zpCL7hMNHA@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">Next to that, if you see a restaurant on the map,
without address data, just search the website of that restaurant
and get the address data from there. You're doing nothing wrong,
as long as you don't take the data from a database (such as the
golden pages), you aren't violating any copyrights or database
rights. While you're at the website of the restaurant, you can
also add other information s.a. opening hours or phone number.<br>
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The scrupulous mind can get the number from the YP and phone the
restaurant to ask them their phone number. Or you can learn the YP
by heart, and do the mapping two days after. Or ask your wife to
look it up and phone it to the neighbor; he will probably phone back
and ask what's going on there. Lots of ©less methods ;-)<br>
<br>
I usually refrain from indicating phone numbers. There are already
so many problems with web addresses changes that could be easily
detected but are not cared for, that it's useless to add phone
number changes that cannot be detected. I would give priority to
pop up a tip when the mouse hovers over the restaurant with a Web
link to click to see the rest. I drew the attention of JOSM preset
writers that a Web address is often much wider that what's usually
called a Contact.<br>
<br>
Happy Xmas, be it in street X or Y.<br>
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