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The good news is that it works with other projections :-) <br>
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The main problem I have with projection 3857 (and 4326) is that
tiles does not reload when I change projection. I do not know why. <br>
<br>
I am abroad for one week. I will stop the geoservice during this
time - I am not sure it doesn't kill other service due to limitation
memory. <br>
<br>
We will talk deeper when I will be back.<br>
<br>
Julien<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 19/07/13 02:27, André Pirard a
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Julien,<br>
<br>
It should be avoided like the plague to reconfigure the screen
map projection of JOSM.<br>
Especially when it is not necessary ... see below ...<br>
JOSM normally uses Mercator EPSG:3857 screen projection.<br>
<tt>That way, i</tt>t can display maps served in EPSG:3857,
EPSG:900913 and EPSG:4326.<br>
That is what almost all servers in the world serve, sometimes in
addition to local projections.<br>
This (EPSG:4326) is what IGN, AGIV and Urbis can serve in
addition to Lambert.<br>
But SPW can only serve Lambert.<br>
It should be <b>urgently</b> asked that all servers support at
least EPSG:4326 like the others.<br>
In addition to what they already use, that is.<br>
<br>
The reason is that if JOSM cannot reproject data.<br>
If it is screen configured with Lambert, it will be unable to
display 4326 data, notably Bing maps but many others.<br>
The reason is that Openlayers cannot reproject data (too CPU
consuming in JavaScript).<br>
The reason is that Merkaartor is buggy when it converts
Lambert->Mercator.<br>
The reason is that, like Merkaartor, most programs are mostly
tested with 4326 and may show bugs otherwise.<br>
The reason is that there are many reasons.<br>
The reason is also that if you use screen projection-1 for this
job, projection-2 for this another and projection-1 for yet
another, you will soon be fed up constantly reconfiguring JOSM
and stopping it, and most of all forgetting to reconfigure it
and wonder why you don't see your map.<br>
<br>
If it's really impossible to have a server configured to serve
4326, the best solution is to use a proxy that reprojects it.<br>
I have used Mapproxy very effectively that way, but it's a
tedious job to configure it.<br>
It would be much more effective to set up a single Mapproxy for
all of us, especially with a good cache.<br>
<br>
But by far the simplest way is to configure the source servers
to serve EPSG:4326.<br>
<b>So simple that your server is already configured for 3857 and
4326.</b><b><br>
</b><b>There is NO NEED to reconfigure the JOSM screen.</b><b><br>
</b><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://fastre.info:8080/geoserver/OSMUrbis/wms?REQUEST=GetCapabilities&SERVICE=WMS">See
here the impressive list of projections that your server
supports.</a><br>
Here are the WMS requests to get your images (in EPSG:3857):<br>
<blockquote type="cite">GET
<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/map?bbox=4.3557754,50.84655,4.3845868,50.8600845">http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/map?bbox=4.3557754,50.84655,4.3845868,50.8600845</a><br>
Grabbing WMS
<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://fastre.info:8080/geoserver/OSMUrbis/wms?SERVICE=WMS&FORMAT=image/jpeg&VERSION=1.1.1&SERVICE=WMS&REQUEST=GetMap&LAYERS=StJosse&STYLES=&SRS=EPSG:3857&WIDTH=500&HEIGHT=500&BBOX=486150.9468658,6595682.2161044,486402.0578921,6595933.3271307">http://fastre.info:8080/geoserver/OSMUrbis/wms?SERVICE=WMS&FORMAT=image/jpeg&VERSION=1.1.1&SERVICE=WMS&REQUEST=GetMap&LAYERS=StJosse&STYLES=&SRS=EPSG:3857&WIDTH=500&HEIGHT=500&BBOX=486150.9468658,6595682.2161044,486402.0578921,6595933.3271307</a><br>
Grabbing WMS
<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://fastre.info:8080/geoserver/OSMUrbis/wms?SERVICE=WMS&FORMAT=image/jpeg&VERSION=1.1.1&SERVICE=WMS&REQUEST=GetMap&LAYERS=StJosse&STYLES=&SRS=EPSG:3857&WIDTH=500&HEIGHT=500&BBOX=486150.9468658,6595431.1050781,486402.0578921,6595682.2161044">http://fastre.info:8080/geoserver/OSMUrbis/wms?SERVICE=WMS&FORMAT=image/jpeg&VERSION=1.1.1&SERVICE=WMS&REQUEST=GetMap&LAYERS=StJosse&STYLES=&SRS=EPSG:3857&WIDTH=500&HEIGHT=500&BBOX=486150.9468658,6595431.1050781,486402.0578921,6595682.2161044</a><br>
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...<br>
... and I saw your images perfectly.<br>
<br>
I hope that this little blurb will help make more usable servers
in Belgium.<br>
<br>
Cheers, <br>
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Hi, <br>
<br>
With the help of eMerzh, yesterday, we converted the raster
image downloaded from Urbis to a geotiff (georeferenced tiff). <br>
<br>
I upload the image to my (little) server and I could serve it
through a WMS, and the use it as imagery in JOSM. <br>
<br>
Could you try if it works by yourself ? <br>
<br>
This is a short manual: <br>
<br>
<ul>
<li>launch JOSM;</li>
<li>go to the preferences (F12)</li>
<li>Switch to Lambert Belge 1972 (third tab on the left - map
preférences / préférences de la carte) (the geotiff is in
Lambert Belge, EPSG:31370) ;</li>
<li>Add the WMS service: <br>
</li>
<ul>
<li>go to WMS/TMS ;</li>
<li>click on +WMS</li>
<li>add the URL : <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://fastre.info:8080/geoserver/OSMUrbis/wms">http://fastre.info:8080/geoserver/OSMUrbis/wms</a></li>
<li>click on "obtain the layer" / obtenir les calques ;</li>
<li>select the commune of St-Josse (currently the only one
available)</li>
</ul>
<li>Then, download the OSM data in Saint-Josse ;</li>
<li>Zoom to a high level (a high level does lower requests, it
will be more fast)<br>
</li>
</ul>
<br>
The server is very little (512Mo), the geotif are quite big
(~5Go). This is just a test (we should also add a licence on the
service...)<br>
<br>
I will let the server open until tomorrow around 10', then I
will stop for a week. Then, if it works, I may consider host
some commune - we may talk about that. <br>
<br>
(Another easier way may be to share the geotiff by torrent,
everyone may use it in JOSM with a good tutorial)<br>
<br>
Julien<br>
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Hi !<br>
<br>
Thanks for all those informations ! <br>
<br>
It's a good news that CIRB have some considerations for OSM. <br>
<br>
I am also trying to convert sid to jpg (I skip that line in
your email), but I must re-compile GDAL. <br>
<br>
If you have geotiff or some commons georeferenced raster I may
serve them with WMS through geoserver from my (little) server.
<br>
<br>
Julien<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 17/07/13 15:38, eMerzh a
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Dag Jo ;)<br>
<br>
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For 3D i think they mean like 3d buildings (with a CAD
tool or smth ) like OSM3D & friends <br>
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They also have like "oblique" images ... it think it's
more or less like bing birdview ... but there are not
released ... (yet ?)<br>
<br>
<br>
<div>
<div>For the ortho, i've convert my first sid file to
jpg ... i have to figure out how to cut that in tiles
and georef them...<br>
</div>
<div>i'm really a nooob in that area so if someone can
help :)<br>
<br>
<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2013/7/17 Jo <span dir="ltr"><<a
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href="mailto:winfixit@gmail.com" target="_blank">winfixit@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> Je
pense que Glenn Plas a les compétences réquises (et un
serveur?).<br>
<br>
Glenn, weet jij hoe je een server moet opzetten die
WMS doet op basis van deelimages?<br>
<br>
Jo<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">2013/7/17 eMerzh <span
dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:merzhin@gmail.com" target="_blank">merzhin@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
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<div>Ah oui, <br>
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j'ai oublié :<br>
<br>
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* le LIDAR sera mis à
disposition dans le futur sous
la même license ...via iribox...<br>
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pour l'instant ce n'est pas encore
disponible, a cause d'un problème
de distribution .... <br>
</div>
( il y a ~900Fichiers de 900 Mo
chacun ...)<br>
<br>
<br>
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<div>Voilà ...<br>
<br>
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Sinon, je voudrai mettre a dispo les
ortho pour les utiliser dans JOSM ...
donc je cherche un moyen de faire ça
...<br>
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(je serai p-e ralenti par mes vacances
et par le faite que je ne dispose pas
vraiment d'un serveur ou je fais ce que
je veux... )<br>
</div>
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<div>je vous tiens au courant :)<br>
<br>
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<div><span name="Pierre
Parmentier"><br>
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eMerzh <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<div>Hi
everybody ...
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here are the
feedback from
my meeting
with the CIRB.
<br>
as i'm more
confortable
with french
the following
message will
be in french
... sorry <br>
<br>
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Donc :<br>
</div>
* Au niveau des
mises à jours, le
wfs & wms est
actualisé toutes
les semaines alors
que l'interface de
téléchargment ne
l'est que 1 fois
par trimestre.<br>
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<br>
Attention, la mise
à jour correspond à
l'état actuel du
survey ... toutes
les zones ne sont
pas mises à jours
toutes les
semaines...<br>
</div>
* A chaque mise à
jour d'un objet, un
ID de version
centralisé est
incrémenté et attribué
à un objet. <br>
</div>
donc pour savoir les
derniers objets avec des
"potentielles" mises à
jours, il faut trier les
objets par identifiants
de version desc.<br>
<br>
</div>
* un nouveau système de
versioning plus sémantique
et informatif sur les
modifications devrait voir
le jour début de l'année
prochaine<br>
<br>
</div>
* Le cirb est évidemment
intéressé par les retours
sur les données. <br>
</div>
Vous pouvez faire vos retour
soit via moi (un petit mail )
soit via la page du wiki ici
présente: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Urbis_feedback"
target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Urbis_feedback</a><br>
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ou directement via la IRISLINE (
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.cirb.irisnet.be/fr/catalogue-de-services/software/sincrho-1/centre-de-documentation/manuels-de-reference/mode-demploi/contacts/support-client-iris-line"
target="_blank">http://www.cirb.irisnet.be/fr/catalogue-de-services/software/sincrho-1/centre-de-documentation/manuels-de-reference/mode-demploi/contacts/support-client-iris-line</a>
)<br>
</div>
l'idée est d'envoyer les retours
en paquet plutot que 1 par 1 pour
éviter un surplus de travail<br>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>* Les orthophotos sont
disponibles au téléchargement
via la Irisbox ou via le servie
de DL (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.cirb.irisnet.be/fr/catalogue-de-services/urbis/telechargement"
target="_blank">http://www.cirb.irisnet.be/fr/catalogue-de-services/urbis/telechargement</a>)<br>
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<div>La résolution est de 7.5cm si
téléchargé par commune et 10cm?
si téléchargé pour la région
entière...<br>
</div>
<div>Elles sont évidemment
disponible sous la même licence
que le reste.<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>* La 3D devrais arriver
l'année prochaine ... elle aussi
sous licence libre.<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>* Pour tout ce qui est
routage (vitesse, circulation,
restrictions, ...) , le CIRB n'a
pas de données.... il faut
s'adresser à Bruxelles mobilité
(mais c'est pas certains qu'ils
possèdent l'info , ou pas
forcément à jours)<br>
</div>
<div>voir <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://data.irisnetlab.be/"
target="_blank">http://data.irisnetlab.be/</a>
pour les données en OpenData<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>* Pour les infos PMR: voir
BXL mobilité ou les communes
directement.<br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div>* Dans Urbis les données sur
les oneway par exemple ne sont
pas à jour ... et il ya pas de
plan de le faire ....<br>
</div>
<div>ils pensent à éventuellement
Crowdsourcer ...<br>
<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div> * Pour les impétrants ,
pareils il faut demander au
impétrants eux même .... le CIRB
n'a pas l'info<br>
</div>
<div>pareil pour les hydrant (au
pompiers ou a vivaqua)<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>* Nous sommes invité à
participé au UserClub du CIRB
...<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>* Le CIRB à rappelé son
intention de publier directement
les nouvelles données sous
licence libre pour autant qu'ils
aient la possibilité de le
faire.<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>* J'ai parlé d'éventuel
support de OSM: "Pourquoi pas...
" ... ils vont voir avec le
service de com' ...<br>
</div>
<div>si on veux leurs soutient
dans des évènements ponctuels ,
on peu tjs tenter notre coup.<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>* Il n'ont pas forcément
besoin que OSM-be soit une
entité juridique (ASBL, ...)
l'organisation actuelle suffit.<br>
<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>FYI, la réunion était avec Mr
E. Auquiere, C Hannecart + une
3ieme personne dont j'ai oublié
le nom.<br>
<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>En écrivant le résumé j'ai
déjà plusieurs question qui me
viennent pour un éventuel autre
contact . donc n'hésitez pas on
fait un batch ;)<br>
<br>
<br>
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<div>Voilà je pense avoir tout dit
....<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>Bonne journée sous le soleil
;)<br>
<br>
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<div>Brice<br>
<br>
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