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    The good news is that it works with other projections :-) <br>
    <br>
    The main problem I have with projection 3857 (and 4326) is that
    tiles does not reload when I change projection. I do not know why. <br>
    <br>
    I am abroad for one week. I will stop the geoservice during this
    time - I am not sure it doesn't kill other service due to limitation
    memory. <br>
    <br>
    We will talk deeper when I will be back.<br>
    <br>
    Julien<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 19/07/13 02:27, André Pirard a
      écrit :<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Julien,<br>
        <br>
        It should be avoided like the plague to reconfigure the screen
        map projection of JOSM.<br>
        Especially when it is not necessary ... see below ...<br>
        JOSM normally uses Mercator EPSG:3857 screen projection.<br>
        <tt>That way, i</tt>t can display maps served in EPSG:3857,
        EPSG:900913 and EPSG:4326.<br>
        That is what almost all servers in the world serve, sometimes in
        addition to local projections.<br>
        This (EPSG:4326) is what IGN, AGIV and Urbis can serve in
        addition to Lambert.<br>
        But SPW can only serve Lambert.<br>
        It should be <b>urgently</b> asked that all servers support at
        least EPSG:4326 like the others.<br>
        In addition to what they already use, that is.<br>
        <br>
        The reason is that if JOSM cannot reproject data.<br>
        If it is screen configured with Lambert, it will be unable to
        display 4326 data, notably Bing maps but many others.<br>
        The reason is that Openlayers cannot reproject data (too CPU
        consuming in JavaScript).<br>
        The reason is that Merkaartor is buggy when it converts
        Lambert->Mercator.<br>
        The reason is that, like Merkaartor, most programs are mostly
        tested with 4326 and may show bugs otherwise.<br>
        The reason is that there are many reasons.<br>
        The reason is also that if you use screen projection-1 for this
        job, projection-2 for this another and projection-1 for yet
        another, you will soon be fed up constantly reconfiguring JOSM
        and stopping it, and most of all forgetting to reconfigure it
        and wonder why you don't see your map.<br>
        <br>
        If it's really impossible to have a server configured to serve
        4326, the best solution is to use a proxy that reprojects it.<br>
        I have used Mapproxy very effectively that way, but it's a
        tedious job to configure it.<br>
        It would be much more effective to set up a single Mapproxy for
        all of us, especially with a good cache.<br>
        <br>
        But by far the simplest way is to configure the source servers
        to serve EPSG:4326.<br>
        <b>So simple that your server is already configured for 3857 and
          4326.</b><b><br>
        </b><b>There is NO NEED to reconfigure the JOSM screen.</b><b><br>
        </b><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://fastre.info:8080/geoserver/OSMUrbis/wms?REQUEST=GetCapabilities&SERVICE=WMS">See

          here the impressive list of projections that your server
          supports.</a><br>
        Here are the WMS requests to get your images (in EPSG:3857):<br>
        <blockquote type="cite">GET
          <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/map?bbox=4.3557754,50.84655,4.3845868,50.8600845">http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/map?bbox=4.3557754,50.84655,4.3845868,50.8600845</a><br>
          Grabbing WMS
          <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://fastre.info:8080/geoserver/OSMUrbis/wms?SERVICE=WMS&FORMAT=image/jpeg&VERSION=1.1.1&SERVICE=WMS&REQUEST=GetMap&LAYERS=StJosse&STYLES=&SRS=EPSG:3857&WIDTH=500&HEIGHT=500&BBOX=486150.9468658,6595682.2161044,486402.0578921,6595933.3271307">http://fastre.info:8080/geoserver/OSMUrbis/wms?SERVICE=WMS&FORMAT=image/jpeg&VERSION=1.1.1&SERVICE=WMS&REQUEST=GetMap&LAYERS=StJosse&STYLES=&SRS=EPSG:3857&WIDTH=500&HEIGHT=500&BBOX=486150.9468658,6595682.2161044,486402.0578921,6595933.3271307</a><br>
          Grabbing WMS
          <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://fastre.info:8080/geoserver/OSMUrbis/wms?SERVICE=WMS&FORMAT=image/jpeg&VERSION=1.1.1&SERVICE=WMS&REQUEST=GetMap&LAYERS=StJosse&STYLES=&SRS=EPSG:3857&WIDTH=500&HEIGHT=500&BBOX=486150.9468658,6595431.1050781,486402.0578921,6595682.2161044">http://fastre.info:8080/geoserver/OSMUrbis/wms?SERVICE=WMS&FORMAT=image/jpeg&VERSION=1.1.1&SERVICE=WMS&REQUEST=GetMap&LAYERS=StJosse&STYLES=&SRS=EPSG:3857&WIDTH=500&HEIGHT=500&BBOX=486150.9468658,6595431.1050781,486402.0578921,6595682.2161044</a><br>
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        ...<br>
        ... and I saw your images perfectly.<br>
        <br>
        I hope that this little blurb will help make more usable servers
        in Belgium.<br>
        <br>
        Cheers, <br>
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        On 2013-07-18 17:07, Julien Fastré wrote :<br>
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        Hi, <br>
        <br>
        With the help of eMerzh, yesterday, we converted the raster
        image downloaded from Urbis to a geotiff (georeferenced tiff). <br>
        <br>
        I upload the image to my (little) server and I could serve it
        through a WMS, and the use it as imagery in JOSM. <br>
        <br>
        Could you try if it works by yourself ? <br>
        <br>
        This is a short manual: <br>
        <br>
        <ul>
          <li>launch JOSM;</li>
          <li>go to the preferences (F12)</li>
          <li>Switch to Lambert Belge 1972 (third tab on the left - map
            preférences / préférences de la carte) (the geotiff is in
            Lambert Belge, EPSG:31370) ;</li>
          <li>Add the WMS service: <br>
          </li>
          <ul>
            <li>go to WMS/TMS ;</li>
            <li>click on +WMS</li>
            <li>add the URL : <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                href="http://fastre.info:8080/geoserver/OSMUrbis/wms">http://fastre.info:8080/geoserver/OSMUrbis/wms</a></li>
            <li>click on "obtain the layer" / obtenir les calques ;</li>
            <li>select the commune of St-Josse (currently the only one
              available)</li>
          </ul>
          <li>Then, download the OSM data in Saint-Josse ;</li>
          <li>Zoom to a high level (a high level does lower requests, it
            will be more fast)<br>
          </li>
        </ul>
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        The server is very little (512Mo), the geotif are quite big
        (~5Go). This is just a test (we should also add a licence on the
        service...)<br>
        <br>
        I will let the server open until tomorrow around 10', then I
        will stop for a week. Then, if it works, I may consider host
        some commune - we may  talk about that. <br>
        <br>
        (Another easier way may be to share the geotiff by torrent,
        everyone may use it in JOSM with a good tutorial)<br>
        <br>
        Julien<br>
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        <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 17/07/13 22:15, Julien Fastré a
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          Hi !<br>
          <br>
          Thanks for all those informations ! <br>
          <br>
          It's a good news that CIRB have some considerations for OSM. <br>
          <br>
          I am also trying to convert sid to jpg (I skip that line in
          your email), but I must re-compile GDAL. <br>
          <br>
          If you have geotiff or some commons georeferenced raster I may
          serve them with WMS through geoserver from my (little) server.
          <br>
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          Julien<br>
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          <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 17/07/13 15:38, eMerzh a
            écrit :<br>
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cite="mid:CAHBQ7mdJ=rjG8Ba8RmTnkxCabOkV_=Ykiusr3kn_ydBzoqtHew@mail.gmail.com"
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                    Dag Jo ;)<br>
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                  For 3D i think they mean like 3d buildings (with a CAD
                  tool or smth )  like OSM3D & friends <br>
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              They also have like "oblique" images  ... it think it's
              more or less like bing birdview ... but there are not
              released ... (yet ?)<br>
              <br>
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                <div>For the ortho, i've convert my first sid file to
                  jpg ... i have to figure out how to cut that in tiles
                  and georef them...<br>
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                <div>i'm really a nooob in that area so if someone can
                  help :)<br>
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              <div class="gmail_quote">2013/7/17 Jo <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                    href="mailto:winfixit@gmail.com" target="_blank">winfixit@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
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                  .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> Je
                  pense que Glenn Plas a les compétences réquises (et un
                  serveur?).<br>
                  <br>
                  Glenn, weet jij hoe je een server moet opzetten die
                  WMS doet op basis van deelimages?<br>
                  <br>
                  Jo<br>
                  <br>
                  <div class="gmail_quote">2013/7/17 eMerzh <span
                      dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:merzhin@gmail.com" target="_blank">merzhin@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
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                                          <div>Ah oui, <br>
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                                          j'ai oublié :<br>
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                                        * le LIDAR sera mis à
                                        disposition dans le futur sous
                                        la même license ...via iribox...<br>
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                                      pour l'instant ce n'est pas encore
                                      disponible, a cause d'un problème
                                      de distribution .... <br>
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                                     ( il y a ~900Fichiers de 900 Mo
                                    chacun ...)<br>
                                    <br>
                                    <br>
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                                  <div>Voilà ...<br>
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                                  Sinon,  je voudrai mettre a dispo les
                                  ortho pour les utiliser dans JOSM ...
                                  donc je cherche un moyen de faire ça
                                  ...<br>
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                                (je serai p-e ralenti par mes vacances
                                et par le faite que je ne dispose pas
                                vraiment d'un serveur ou je fais ce que
                                je veux... )<br>
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                            <div>je vous tiens au courant :)<br>
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                                          <div><span name="Pierre
                                              Parmentier"><br>
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                                <div class="gmail_quote">2013/7/17
                                  eMerzh <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                                                          <div>Hi
                                                          everybody ...
                                                          <br>
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                                                          here are the
                                                          feedback from
                                                          my meeting
                                                          with the CIRB.
                                                          <br>
                                                          as i'm more
                                                          confortable
                                                          with french
                                                          the following
                                                          message will
                                                          be in french
                                                          ... sorry <br>
                                                          <br>
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                                                        Donc :<br>
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                                                      * Au niveau des
                                                      mises à jours,  le
                                                      wfs & wms est
                                                      actualisé toutes
                                                      les semaines alors
                                                      que l'interface de
                                                      téléchargment ne
                                                      l'est que 1 fois
                                                      par trimestre.<br>
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                                                    <br>
                                                     Attention, la mise
                                                    à jour correspond à
                                                    l'état actuel du
                                                    survey ... toutes
                                                    les zones ne sont
                                                    pas mises à jours
                                                    toutes les
                                                    semaines...<br>
                                                  </div>
                                                   * A chaque mise à
                                                  jour d'un objet,  un
                                                  ID de version
                                                  centralisé est
                                                  incrémenté et attribué
                                                  à un objet. <br>
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                                                donc pour savoir les
                                                derniers objets avec des
                                                "potentielles" mises à
                                                jours, il faut trier les
                                                objets par identifiants
                                                de version desc.<br>
                                                <br>
                                              </div>
                                              * un nouveau système de
                                              versioning plus sémantique
                                              et informatif sur les
                                              modifications devrait voir
                                              le jour début de l'année
                                              prochaine<br>
                                              <br>
                                            </div>
                                            * Le cirb est évidemment
                                            intéressé par les retours
                                            sur les données. <br>
                                          </div>
                                          Vous pouvez faire vos retour
                                          soit via moi (un petit mail )
                                          soit via la page du wiki ici
                                          présente: <a
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                                            href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Urbis_feedback"
                                            target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Urbis_feedback</a><br>
                                        </div>
                                        ou directement via la IRISLINE (
                                        <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.cirb.irisnet.be/fr/catalogue-de-services/software/sincrho-1/centre-de-documentation/manuels-de-reference/mode-demploi/contacts/support-client-iris-line"
                                          target="_blank">http://www.cirb.irisnet.be/fr/catalogue-de-services/software/sincrho-1/centre-de-documentation/manuels-de-reference/mode-demploi/contacts/support-client-iris-line</a>
                                        )<br>
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                                      l'idée est d'envoyer les retours
                                      en paquet plutot que 1 par 1 pour
                                      éviter un surplus de travail<br>
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>* Les orthophotos sont
                                        disponibles au téléchargement
                                        via la Irisbox ou via le servie
                                        de DL (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.cirb.irisnet.be/fr/catalogue-de-services/urbis/telechargement"
                                          target="_blank">http://www.cirb.irisnet.be/fr/catalogue-de-services/urbis/telechargement</a>)<br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>La résolution est de 7.5cm si
                                        téléchargé par commune et 10cm?
                                        si téléchargé pour la région
                                        entière...<br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>Elles sont évidemment
                                        disponible sous la même licence
                                        que le reste.<br>
                                        <br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>* La 3D devrais arriver
                                        l'année prochaine ... elle aussi
                                        sous licence libre.<br>
                                        <br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>* Pour tout ce qui est
                                        routage (vitesse, circulation,
                                        restrictions, ...) , le CIRB n'a
                                        pas de données.... il faut
                                        s'adresser à Bruxelles mobilité
                                        (mais c'est pas certains qu'ils
                                        possèdent l'info , ou pas
                                        forcément à jours)<br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>voir <a
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          href="http://data.irisnetlab.be/"
                                          target="_blank">http://data.irisnetlab.be/</a>
                                        pour les données en OpenData<br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>* Pour les infos PMR: voir
                                        BXL mobilité ou les communes
                                        directement.<br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div> <br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>* Dans Urbis les données sur
                                        les oneway par exemple ne sont
                                        pas à jour ... et il ya pas de
                                        plan de le faire ....<br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>ils pensent à éventuellement
                                        Crowdsourcer ...<br>
                                        <br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div> * Pour les impétrants ,
                                        pareils il faut demander au
                                        impétrants eux même .... le CIRB
                                        n'a pas l'info<br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>pareil pour les hydrant (au
                                        pompiers ou a vivaqua)<br>
                                        <br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>* Nous sommes invité à
                                        participé au UserClub du CIRB
                                        ...<br>
                                        <br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>* Le CIRB à rappelé son
                                        intention de publier directement
                                        les nouvelles données sous
                                        licence libre pour autant qu'ils
                                        aient la possibilité de le
                                        faire.<br>
                                        <br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>* J'ai parlé d'éventuel
                                        support de OSM: "Pourquoi pas...
                                        " ... ils vont voir avec le
                                        service de com' ...<br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>si on veux leurs soutient
                                        dans des évènements ponctuels ,
                                        on peu tjs tenter notre coup.<br>
                                        <br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>* Il n'ont pas forcément
                                        besoin que OSM-be soit une
                                        entité juridique (ASBL, ...)
                                        l'organisation actuelle suffit.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        <br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>FYI, la réunion était avec Mr
                                        E. Auquiere, C Hannecart + une
                                        3ieme personne dont j'ai oublié
                                        le nom.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        <br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>En écrivant le résumé j'ai
                                        déjà plusieurs question qui me
                                        viennent pour un éventuel autre
                                        contact . donc n'hésitez pas on
                                        fait un batch ;)<br>
                                        <br>
                                        <br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>Voilà je pense avoir tout dit
                                        ....<br>
                                        <br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>Bonne journée sous le soleil
                                        ;)<br>
                                        <br>
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                                      <div>Brice<br>
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