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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2013-07-19 09:40, Julien Fastré
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The good news is that it works with other projections :-) <br>
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And that it is almost as easy to have it work in other servers where
it does not work.<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:51E8ED82.6080200@fastre.info" type="cite"> The
main problem I have with projection 3857 (and 4326) is that tiles
does not reload when I change projection. I do not know why. <br>
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What do you mean with "change projection" (of what?) and "do not
reload"?<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:51E8ED82.6080200@fastre.info" type="cite"> I
am abroad for one week. I will stop the geoservice during this
time - I am not sure it doesn't kill other service due to
limitation memory. <br>
<br>
We will talk deeper when I will be back.<br>
<br>
Julien<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 19/07/13 02:27, André Pirard a
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Julien,<br>
<br>
It should be avoided like the plague to reconfigure the screen
map projection of JOSM.<br>
Especially when it is not necessary ... see below ...<br>
JOSM normally uses Mercator EPSG:3857 screen projection.<br>
<tt>That way, i</tt>t can display maps served in EPSG:3857,
EPSG:900913 and EPSG:4326.<br>
That is what almost all servers in the world serve, sometimes
in addition to local projections.<br>
This (EPSG:4326) is what IGN, AGIV and Urbis can serve in
addition to Lambert.<br>
But SPW can only serve Lambert.<br>
It should be <b>urgently</b> asked that all servers support
at least EPSG:4326 like the others.<br>
In addition to what they already use, that is.<br>
<br>
The reason is that if JOSM cannot reproject data.<br>
If it is screen configured with Lambert, it will be unable to
display 4326 data, notably Bing maps but many others.<br>
The reason is that Openlayers cannot reproject data (too CPU
consuming in JavaScript).<br>
The reason is that Merkaartor is buggy when it converts
Lambert->Mercator.<br>
The reason is that, like Merkaartor, most programs are mostly
tested with 4326 and may show bugs otherwise.<br>
The reason is that there are many reasons.<br>
The reason is also that if you use screen projection-1 for
this job, projection-2 for this another and projection-1 for
yet another, you will soon be fed up constantly reconfiguring
JOSM and stopping it, and most of all forgetting to
reconfigure it and wonder why you don't see your map.<br>
<br>
If it's really impossible to have a server configured to serve
4326, the best solution is to use a proxy that reprojects it.<br>
I have used Mapproxy very effectively that way, but it's a
tedious job to configure it.<br>
It would be much more effective to set up a single Mapproxy
for all of us, especially with a good cache.<br>
<br>
But by far the simplest way is to configure the source servers
to serve EPSG:4326.<br>
<b>So simple that your server is already configured for 3857
and 4326.</b><b><br>
</b><b>There is NO NEED to reconfigure the JOSM screen.</b><b><br>
</b><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://fastre.info:8080/geoserver/OSMUrbis/wms?REQUEST=GetCapabilities&SERVICE=WMS">See
here the impressive list of projections that your server
supports.</a><br>
Here are the WMS requests to get your images (in EPSG:3857):<br>
<blockquote type="cite">GET <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/map?bbox=4.3557754,50.84655,4.3845868,50.8600845">http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/map?bbox=4.3557754,50.84655,4.3845868,50.8600845</a><br>
Grabbing WMS <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://fastre.info:8080/geoserver/OSMUrbis/wms?SERVICE=WMS&FORMAT=image/jpeg&VERSION=1.1.1&SERVICE=WMS&REQUEST=GetMap&LAYERS=StJosse&STYLES=&SRS=EPSG:3857&WIDTH=500&HEIGHT=500&BBOX=486150.9468658,6595682.2161044,486402.0578921,6595933.3271307">http://fastre.info:8080/geoserver/OSMUrbis/wms?SERVICE=WMS&FORMAT=image/jpeg&VERSION=1.1.1&SERVICE=WMS&REQUEST=GetMap&LAYERS=StJosse&STYLES=&SRS=EPSG:3857&WIDTH=500&HEIGHT=500&BBOX=486150.9468658,6595682.2161044,486402.0578921,6595933.3271307</a><br>
Grabbing WMS <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://fastre.info:8080/geoserver/OSMUrbis/wms?SERVICE=WMS&FORMAT=image/jpeg&VERSION=1.1.1&SERVICE=WMS&REQUEST=GetMap&LAYERS=StJosse&STYLES=&SRS=EPSG:3857&WIDTH=500&HEIGHT=500&BBOX=486150.9468658,6595431.1050781,486402.0578921,6595682.2161044">http://fastre.info:8080/geoserver/OSMUrbis/wms?SERVICE=WMS&FORMAT=image/jpeg&VERSION=1.1.1&SERVICE=WMS&REQUEST=GetMap&LAYERS=StJosse&STYLES=&SRS=EPSG:3857&WIDTH=500&HEIGHT=500&BBOX=486150.9468658,6595431.1050781,486402.0578921,6595682.2161044</a><br>
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...<br>
... and I saw your images perfectly.<br>
<br>
I hope that this little blurb will help make more usable
servers in Belgium.<br>
<br>
Cheers, <br>
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On 2013-07-18 17:07, Julien Fastré wrote :<br>
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Hi, <br>
<br>
With the help of eMerzh, yesterday, we converted the raster
image downloaded from Urbis to a geotiff (georeferenced tiff).
<br>
<br>
I upload the image to my (little) server and I could serve it
through a WMS, and the use it as imagery in JOSM. <br>
<br>
Could you try if it works by yourself ? <br>
<br>
This is a short manual: <br>
<br>
<ul>
<li>launch JOSM;</li>
<li>go to the preferences (F12)</li>
<li>Switch to Lambert Belge 1972 (third tab on the left -
map preférences / préférences de la carte) (the geotiff is
in Lambert Belge, EPSG:31370) ;</li>
<li>Add the WMS service: <br>
</li>
<ul>
<li>go to WMS/TMS ;</li>
<li>click on +WMS</li>
<li>add the URL : <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://fastre.info:8080/geoserver/OSMUrbis/wms">http://fastre.info:8080/geoserver/OSMUrbis/wms</a></li>
<li>click on "obtain the layer" / obtenir les calques ;</li>
<li>select the commune of St-Josse (currently the only one
available)</li>
</ul>
<li>Then, download the OSM data in Saint-Josse ;</li>
<li>Zoom to a high level (a high level does lower requests,
it will be more fast)<br>
</li>
</ul>
<br>
The server is very little (512Mo), the geotif are quite big
(~5Go). This is just a test (we should also add a licence on
the service...)<br>
<br>
I will let the server open until tomorrow around 10', then I
will stop for a week. Then, if it works, I may consider host
some commune - we may talk about that. <br>
<br>
(Another easier way may be to share the geotiff by torrent,
everyone may use it in JOSM with a good tutorial)<br>
<br>
Julien<br>
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Hi !<br>
<br>
Thanks for all those informations ! <br>
<br>
It's a good news that CIRB have some considerations for OSM.
<br>
<br>
I am also trying to convert sid to jpg (I skip that line in
your email), but I must re-compile GDAL. <br>
<br>
If you have geotiff or some commons georeferenced raster I
may serve them with WMS through geoserver from my (little)
server. <br>
<br>
Julien<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 17/07/13 15:38, eMerzh a
écrit :<br>
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cite="mid:CAHBQ7mdJ=rjG8Ba8RmTnkxCabOkV_=Ykiusr3kn_ydBzoqtHew@mail.gmail.com"
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Dag Jo ;)<br>
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For 3D i think they mean like 3d buildings (with a
CAD tool or smth ) like OSM3D & friends <br>
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They also have like "oblique" images ... it think it's
more or less like bing birdview ... but there are not
released ... (yet ?)<br>
<br>
<br>
<div>
<div>For the ortho, i've convert my first sid file to
jpg ... i have to figure out how to cut that in
tiles and georef them...<br>
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<div>i'm really a nooob in that area so if someone can
help :)<br>
<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2013/7/17 Jo <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:winfixit@gmail.com" target="_blank">winfixit@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
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Je pense que Glenn Plas a les compétences réquises
(et un serveur?).<br>
<br>
Glenn, weet jij hoe je een server moet opzetten die
WMS doet op basis van deelimages?<br>
<br>
Jo<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2013/7/17 eMerzh <span
dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:merzhin@gmail.com"
target="_blank">merzhin@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
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<div>Ah oui, <br>
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j'ai oublié :<br>
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* le LIDAR sera mis à
disposition dans le futur sous
la même license ...via
iribox...<br>
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pour l'instant ce n'est pas
encore disponible, a cause d'un
problème de distribution .... <br>
</div>
( il y a ~900Fichiers de 900 Mo
chacun ...)<br>
<br>
<br>
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<div>Voilà ...<br>
<br>
</div>
Sinon, je voudrai mettre a dispo
les ortho pour les utiliser dans
JOSM ... donc je cherche un moyen de
faire ça ...<br>
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(je serai p-e ralenti par mes vacances
et par le faite que je ne dispose pas
vraiment d'un serveur ou je fais ce
que je veux... )<br>
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<div>je vous tiens au courant :)<br>
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<div><span name="Pierre
Parmentier"><br>
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eMerzh <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<div>Hi
everybody ...
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here are the
feedback from
my meeting
with the CIRB.
<br>
as i'm more
confortable
with french
the following
message will
be in french
... sorry <br>
<br>
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Donc :<br>
</div>
* Au niveau des
mises à jours,
le wfs & wms
est actualisé
toutes les
semaines alors
que l'interface
de téléchargment
ne l'est que 1
fois par
trimestre.<br>
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<br>
Attention, la
mise à jour
correspond à
l'état actuel du
survey ... toutes
les zones ne sont
pas mises à jours
toutes les
semaines...<br>
</div>
* A chaque mise à
jour d'un objet, un
ID de version
centralisé est
incrémenté et
attribué à un objet.
<br>
</div>
donc pour savoir les
derniers objets avec
des "potentielles"
mises à jours, il faut
trier les objets par
identifiants de
version desc.<br>
<br>
</div>
* un nouveau système de
versioning plus
sémantique et informatif
sur les modifications
devrait voir le jour
début de l'année
prochaine<br>
<br>
</div>
* Le cirb est évidemment
intéressé par les retours
sur les données. <br>
</div>
Vous pouvez faire vos retour
soit via moi (un petit mail
) soit via la page du wiki
ici présente: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Urbis_feedback"
target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Urbis_feedback</a><br>
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ou directement via la IRISLINE
( <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.cirb.irisnet.be/fr/catalogue-de-services/software/sincrho-1/centre-de-documentation/manuels-de-reference/mode-demploi/contacts/support-client-iris-line"
target="_blank">http://www.cirb.irisnet.be/fr/catalogue-de-services/software/sincrho-1/centre-de-documentation/manuels-de-reference/mode-demploi/contacts/support-client-iris-line</a>
)<br>
</div>
l'idée est d'envoyer les retours
en paquet plutot que 1 par 1
pour éviter un surplus de
travail<br>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>* Les orthophotos sont
disponibles au téléchargement
via la Irisbox ou via le
servie de DL (<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.cirb.irisnet.be/fr/catalogue-de-services/urbis/telechargement"
target="_blank">http://www.cirb.irisnet.be/fr/catalogue-de-services/urbis/telechargement</a>)<br>
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<div>La résolution est de 7.5cm
si téléchargé par commune et
10cm? si téléchargé pour la
région entière...<br>
</div>
<div>Elles sont évidemment
disponible sous la même
licence que le reste.<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>* La 3D devrais arriver
l'année prochaine ... elle
aussi sous licence libre.<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>* Pour tout ce qui est
routage (vitesse, circulation,
restrictions, ...) , le CIRB
n'a pas de données.... il faut
s'adresser à Bruxelles
mobilité (mais c'est pas
certains qu'ils possèdent
l'info , ou pas forcément à
jours)<br>
</div>
<div>voir <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://data.irisnetlab.be/"
target="_blank">http://data.irisnetlab.be/</a>
pour les données en OpenData<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>* Pour les infos PMR: voir
BXL mobilité ou les communes
directement.<br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div>* Dans Urbis les données
sur les oneway par exemple ne
sont pas à jour ... et il ya
pas de plan de le faire ....<br>
</div>
<div>ils pensent à
éventuellement Crowdsourcer
...<br>
<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div> * Pour les impétrants ,
pareils il faut demander au
impétrants eux même .... le
CIRB n'a pas l'info<br>
</div>
<div>pareil pour les hydrant (au
pompiers ou a vivaqua)<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>* Nous sommes invité à
participé au UserClub du CIRB
...<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>* Le CIRB à rappelé son
intention de publier
directement les nouvelles
données sous licence libre
pour autant qu'ils aient la
possibilité de le faire.<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>* J'ai parlé d'éventuel
support de OSM: "Pourquoi
pas... " ... ils vont voir
avec le service de com' ...<br>
</div>
<div>si on veux leurs soutient
dans des évènements ponctuels
, on peu tjs tenter notre
coup.<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>* Il n'ont pas forcément
besoin que OSM-be soit une
entité juridique (ASBL, ...)
l'organisation actuelle
suffit.<br>
<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>FYI, la réunion était avec
Mr E. Auquiere, C Hannecart +
une 3ieme personne dont j'ai
oublié le nom.<br>
<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>En écrivant le résumé j'ai
déjà plusieurs question qui me
viennent pour un éventuel
autre contact . donc n'hésitez
pas on fait un batch ;)<br>
<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>Voilà je pense avoir tout
dit ....<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>Bonne journée sous le
soleil ;)<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>Brice<br>
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