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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2013-09-17 01:40, Glenn Plas wrote :<br>
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<blockquote cite="mid:523796DF.7070108@byte-consult.be" type="cite">On
2013-09-17 01:02, André Pirard wrote:
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<blockquote type="cite">On 2013-09-16 11:52, Glenn Plas wrote :
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<blockquote type="cite">If you want to be serious about this
then a new topic should be initiated by sending a new mail
instead of a reply with a new subject. Every decent
mailclient out there -usually- does not use the subject to
'thread' mails. instead it uses certain fields in the mail
headers. I noticed that mail-man (the mailing list handler of
THIS list) does not seem to add those headers (in fact, they
seem to be removed from outgoing mails, I cannot find those
fields like below).<br>
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example of those are :<br>
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References: <20130914070031.83C7A1561AD6@server21> <a
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:CANHB50fV+JQ_DYnu91QYaURcRyAKk-pqbHGFMQmYzQZAeC=Xwg@mail.gmail.com"><CANHB50fV+JQ_DYnu91QYaURcRyAKk-pqbHGFMQmYzQZAeC=Xwg@mail.gmail.com></a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:5236AF60.2050502@byte-consult.be"><5236AF60.2050502@byte-consult.be></a><br>
In-Reply-To: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:5236AF60.2050502@byte-consult.be"><5236AF60.2050502@byte-consult.be></a><br>
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This is what the (E)mailers usually use when exchanging mail
correspondence (non mailing list) when hitting 'Reply'<br>
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To be complete: top-posting (putting comments ABOVE the
previous messages) is usually really a big nono in the mailing
list fields. You should put follow-up comments BELOW the
original mail. Personally, It doesn't bother me too much, but
on plenty of mailing lists people go absolutely nuts over that
fact , more true on long email exchanges, as you need to read
a long reply from bottom to top in order to follow the
conversation. Of course many clients let you sort using the
subject field.<br>
<br>
If you make sure to bottom-post, automatically you'll be
removing the non-relevant sections at the top to compact the
response. I admit , when being too quick, I'm a sinner too
against that rule once in a while. Some lists have their own
requirements, but in general bottom-posting is considered
Netiquette, top-posting isn't. It makes you scroll twice to
follow a conversation. (go down to find the start, then read
up).<br>
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English : <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style</a><br>
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You're right, my main gripe is against the mailing list software
mailman itself because it does not allow HTML. It does archive a
HTML version of the archive but when you look at it on the
server you see HTML code.
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By "allow HTML", I mean "simple HTML": text style, lists, tables
etc, not eccentric showy stuff.
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I've sent an e-mail to mailman about this and they replied
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* that we, technical people, do not need HTML because we don't
use
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it much.
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I think you misunderstood my mail. At the very bottom of that
partly quoted mail I stated : . I am very much against using html
in mails. I believe HTML belongs on a website, not a mail. I
prefer plain-text.. Sorry :)
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<br>
Glenn
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No, I didn't misunderstand your e-mail and I said 'You're right'.<br>
My topic is not what the users do but what mailman does and that's
why my quote is partial.<br>
I restored the full English text here above, and no, what I had read
does not contain "I am very much against using html in mails" and my
text was not related to that phrase.<br>
I collaborated with the ietf guys for e-mail and MIME+HTML and I can
tell you they are not dumb-asses.<br>
Millions of people are using what they did.<br>
People forget that the first reason to be of HTML is HT, <a
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypertext">hypertext</a>, which
is as elegant as necessary to write sensible text, relegating with
links the details to further reading. That does not belong only to
Web site; some people even wrote HT books. It was also used in the
precursors Gopher, WAIS etc.<br>
I sometimes use titles and index in long e-mails. I rarely write Web
pages to send someone a message.<br>
What the ietf intended to <br>
include in e-mail is the simple HTML I speak of, not the
extravagant one.<br>
It allows tables to be included in e-mail. It
allows HT links <br>
to be used without interspersing text with ugly URLs. It allows
basic formating. Your<br>
reference, which isn't at all against HTML,
advocates<br>
the <blockquote> as a better way to quote text<br>
to avoid paragraphs ending up like this one<br>
or the last one you quote. <blockquote>
certainly does not belong to websites!!!<br>
See following e-mail.<br>
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Cheers,<br>
<br>
André.<br>
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