<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra">Ik ga akkord met je glenn</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">dus ik gebruik dat:</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">no highway key</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">maar alleen deze: <span style="background-color:rgb(235,255,230);color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:18px">designation=public_footpath</span></div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><span style="background-color:rgb(235,255,230);color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:18px"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_extra"><span style="background-color:rgb(235,255,230);color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:18px">dank u alles</span></div>
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3. [Sentier disparu par cause de vegetation] (Jean-Louis Stanus)<br>
4. Re: [Sentier disparu par cause de vegetation] (Marc Gemis)<br>
5. Re: [Sentier disparu par cause de vegetation] (Glenn Plas)<br>
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Cc: <br>Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 18:55:12 +0200<br>Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-be] (geen onderwerp)<br>On Wednesday 18 September 2013 17:58:36 Guy Vanvuchelen wrote:<br>
> Daardoor wordt mijn fietspad te gemakkelijk vastgeklikt aan die landuse en<br>
> dat is natuurlijk niet de bedoeling.<br>
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Om te vermijden dat je nieuwe lijnen worden vastgemaakt aan bestaande lijnen,<br>
moet je <control> ingedrukt houden terwijl je nieuwe punten toevoegt.<br>
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Cc: <br>Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 08:12:35 +0200<br>Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-be] (geen onderwerp)<br>Allemaal bedankt voor de nuttige tips.<br>
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Onderwerp: Re: [OSM-talk-be] (geen onderwerp)<br>
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On Wednesday 18 September 2013 17:58:36 Guy Vanvuchelen wrote:<br>
> Daardoor wordt mijn fietspad te gemakkelijk vastgeklikt aan die<br>
> landuse en dat is natuurlijk niet de bedoeling.<br>
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Om te vermijden dat je nieuwe lijnen worden vastgemaakt aan bestaande<br>
lijnen, moet je <control> ingedrukt houden terwijl je nieuwe punten<br>
toevoegt.<br>
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Ben<br>
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Cc: <br>Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 11:12:57 +0200<br>Subject: [OSM-talk-be] [Sentier disparu par cause de vegetation]<br><div dir="ltr"><div>[EN]</div><div><div>Hello everyone,</div><div><br></div><div>How to map paths that have disappeared during my last visit because of the vegetation (shrubs and brambles)? Access to the path became impracticable without mulcher.</div>
<div>At this point, I mapping the trails like this:</div><div>highway = path</div><div>access = no</div><div>trail_visibility = no</div><div><br></div><div>What do you think?</div><div><br></div><div>thank you</div></div>
<div><br></div><div>[FR]</div><div><br></div><div>Bonjour à tous,</div><div><br></div><div>Comment cartographier des sentiers qui ont disparu lors de mon dernier passage à cause de la végétation (arbustes et ronces)? L'accès au chemin est devenu impraticable sans débrousailleuse. </div>
<div>En ce moment, je cartographie ces sentiers comme ceci:</div><div>highway=path</div><div>access=no</div><div>trail_visibility=no</div><div><br></div><div>Qu'en pensez-vous?</div><div><br></div><div><div dir="ltr">
<div>Cordialement,<br><br></div>Jean-Louis Stanus<br><div><div><br>----<br><br><div><div style="border:1px solid rgb(229,229,229);background-color:rgb(248,248,248);padding:0.8em 0.8em 0.3em"><div style="margin:0px 0px 8px">
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Cc: <br>Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 11:37:07 +0200<br>Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-be] [Sentier disparu par cause de vegetation]<br><div dir="ltr">Hallo Jean=Louis,<div><br></div><div>access=no means that nobody has the right to go on the path, not that it is not possible.<div>
I vaguely remember seeing a similar discussion on the tagging mailing list a couple of months ago. Don't remember the outcome. can't find it right now</div>
</div><div><br></div><div>found something on the help forum: <a href="https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/16293/tagging-impassible-footpaths" target="_blank">https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/16293/tagging-impassible-footpaths</a> (main suggestion is to contact whoever is responsible for the path)</div>
<div><br></div><div>regards</div><div><br></div><div>m</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Jean-Louis Stanus <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jl.stanus@gmail.com" target="_blank">jl.stanus@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>[EN]</div><div><div>Hello everyone,</div>
<div><br></div><div>How to map paths that have disappeared during my last visit because of the vegetation (shrubs and brambles)? Access to the path became impracticable without mulcher.</div>
<div>At this point, I mapping the trails like this:</div><div>highway = path</div><div>access = no</div><div>trail_visibility = no</div><div><br></div><div>What do you think?</div><div><br></div><div>thank you</div></div>
<div><br></div><div>[FR]</div><div><br></div><div>Bonjour à tous,</div><div><br></div><div>Comment cartographier des sentiers qui ont disparu lors de mon dernier passage à cause de la végétation (arbustes et ronces)? L'accès au chemin est devenu impraticable sans débrousailleuse. </div>
<div>En ce moment, je cartographie ces sentiers comme ceci:</div><div>highway=path</div><div>access=no</div><div>trail_visibility=no</div><div><br></div><div>Qu'en pensez-vous?</div><div><br></div><div><div dir="ltr">
<div>Cordialement,<br><br></div>Jean-Louis Stanus<br><div><div><br>----<br><br><div><div style="border:1px solid rgb(229,229,229);background-color:rgb(248,248,248);padding:0.8em 0.8em 0.3em"><div style="margin:0px 0px 8px">
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Cc: <br>Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 12:31:44 +0200<br>Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-be] [Sentier disparu par cause de vegetation]<br>On 2013-09-19 11:37, Marc Gemis wrote:<br>
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Hallo Jean=Louis,<br>
<br>
access=no means that nobody has the right to go on the path, not that it is not possible.<br>
</blockquote>
Indeed, access=no is a different context.<br>
<br>
You might also want to check out this tag:<br>
<br>
<a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:smoothness" target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/<u></u>wiki/Key:smoothness</a><br>
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Glenn<br>
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Cc: <br>Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 12:40:06 +0200<br>Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-be] [Sentier disparu par cause de vegetation]<br>On 2013-09-19 12:31, Glenn Plas wrote:<br>
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On 2013-09-19 11:37, Marc Gemis wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
access=no means that nobody has the right to go on the path, not that it is not possible.<br>
</blockquote>
Indeed, access=no is a different context.<br>
<br>
You might also want to check out this tag:<br>
<br>
<a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:smoothness" target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/<u></u>wiki/Key:smoothness</a><br>
</blockquote>
<br>
To be more complete, this tag has been under scrutiny lately, and other proposals exist. Just follow the hotlinks. There is another proposal here:<br>
<br>
<a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/surface_unification#surface:condition" target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/<u></u>wiki/Proposed_features/<u></u>surface_unification#surface:<u></u>condition</a><br>
<br>
Glenn<br>
<br>
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Cc: <br>Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 13:05:54 +0200<br>Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-be] [Sentier disparu par cause de vegetation]<br>Sommige paden zijn zo overwoekerd van gras en onkruid (zelfs struiken) dat<br>
ze onbegaanbaar zijn. Zodra het maaien toegestaan is (juni?) worden ze<br>
opgekuist maar enkele maanden later zijn ze weer onbegaanbaar. Het hangt er<br>
dus echt vanaf wanneer je die paden gaat verkennen.<br>
Hetzelfde met sommige tracks die gewoon omgeploegd en gezaaid worden. Daarna<br>
rijdt de boer er enkele keren met de tractor over zodat de weg weer min of<br>
meer zichtbaar wordt.<br>
Men zou moeten kunnen mappen dat ze 'periodiek' toegankelijk zijn.<br>
<br>
Guy Vanvuchelen<br>
<br>
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-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----<br>
Van: Glenn Plas [mailto:<a href="mailto:glenn@byte-consult.be">glenn@byte-consult.be</a>]<br>
Verzonden: donderdag 19 september 2013 12:40<br>
Aan: OpenStreetMap Belgium<br>
Onderwerp: Re: [OSM-talk-be] [Sentier disparu par cause de vegetation]<br>
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On 2013-09-19 12:31, Glenn Plas wrote:<br>
> On 2013-09-19 11:37, Marc Gemis wrote:<br>
>> access=no means that nobody has the right to go on the path, not<br>
>> that it is not possible.<br>
> Indeed, access=no is a different context.<br>
><br>
> You might also want to check out this tag:<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:smoothness" target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:smoothness</a><br>
<br>
To be more complete, this tag has been under scrutiny lately, and other<br>
proposals exist. Just follow the hotlinks. There is another proposal<br>
here:<br>
<br>
<a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/surface_unification#sur" target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/surface_unification#sur</a><br>
face:condition<br>
<br>
Glenn<br>
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Cc: <br>Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 13:27:55 +0200<br>Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-be] [Sentier disparu par cause de vegetation]<br>On 2013-09-19 13:05, Guy Vanvuchelen wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
Sommige paden zijn zo overwoekerd van gras en onkruid (zelfs struiken) dat<br>
ze onbegaanbaar zijn. Zodra het maaien toegestaan is (juni?) worden ze<br>
opgekuist maar enkele maanden later zijn ze weer onbegaanbaar. Het hangt er<br>
dus echt vanaf wanneer je die paden gaat verkennen.<br>
Hetzelfde met sommige tracks die gewoon omgeploegd en gezaaid worden. Daarna<br>
rijdt de boer er enkele keren met de tractor over zodat de weg weer min of<br>
meer zichtbaar wordt.<br>
Men zou moeten kunnen mappen dat ze 'periodiek' toegankelijk zijn.<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
Dat is in feit idd de reden dat de smoothness key controversieel is, omdat je met zo'n situatie zit. Ik denk dat het vooral van belang is dat je de 'worst-case' scenario mapt, je wil niet dat iemand een tripje plant in de veronderstelling dat het ok is wanneer dit niet zo is, andersom is het een aangename verassing. In het eerste geval een tegenvaller.<br>
<br>
Ik heb niet direct weet van een conditionele key voor dit gegeven.<br>
<br>
Glenn<br>
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