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Hi,<br>
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We sent our opinion yesterday (thanks to Philippe).<br>
<br>
You may read the final document here :
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Belgian_OSM_contributor_Opinion_to_plan_strat%C3%A9gique_geomatique_wallonne.pdf">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Belgian_OSM_contributor_Opinion_to_plan_strat%C3%A9gique_geomatique_wallonne.pdf</a><br>
<br>
Julien<br>
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(I do not understand why my links are transformed into pictures... I
use the [[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="File:xyz.pdf">File:xyz.pdf</a>]] but this does not appears as a <a >
tag...<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 23/03/14 22:41, Julien Fastré a
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Hi,<br>
<br>
With the great help of Philippe Duchesnes, we wrote a single an
common review of the PSGW.<br>
<br>
Could you give us some comments before we send this ? Our deadline
is very short (this monday, end afternoon - the initial text was
submitted to our wiki).<br>
<br>
The RC text :
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href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wGZZndpoLEgJuT5fvVv6IkjaLKy6D43l5CUnTBo4z4g/edit?usp=sharing">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wGZZndpoLEgJuT5fvVv6IkjaLKy6D43l5CUnTBo4z4g/edit?usp=sharing</a><br>
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The PSGW itself :
<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/images/7/7b/Projet_de_plan_strat%C3%A9gique_g%C3%A9omatique_pour_la_Wallonie_%28Belgique%29.pdf">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/images/7/7b/Projet_de_plan_strat%C3%A9gique_g%C3%A9omatique_pour_la_Wallonie_%28Belgique%29.pdf</a><br>
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Thanks,<br>
Julien<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 15/03/14 12:16, Julien Fastré a
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Hi,<br>
<br>
Ben, Pieter,<br>
<br>
I do not have any opposition as joining OKFN and OSM opinion in
one document. I thought it was more strategic to have two
voices, but I am not sure this reasoning match with reality. <br>
<br>
I propose to write differently the chapter about "open source"
in a way which is more pragmatic. I might do this at the
beginning of the week.<br>
<br>
OK ? <br>
<br>
Or I delete this chapter completely ?<br>
<br>
@Jo: the permission to trace from WMS is included in our request
to open data globally. I also have contacts which focus more on
web services. But I will mention the persmissions of Brussels
and Flanders (the advance of wallonie and brussels is a quite
good arguments with our politics :-) ).<br>
<br>
Julien<br>
<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 15/03/14 12:04, Jo a écrit :<br>
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<div>Hi Julien,<br>
<br>
You mention we have permission to trace from Bing. In the
mean time we have better imagery (higher resolution, more
recent) in Flanders and Brussels provided by AGIV, which
we are also allowed to trace. We also have permission to,
if I understood correctly, to use their WMS (or is that
CRAB) to trace/verify street names and house numbers.<br>
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Maybe the Region Wallonne can do one better by allowing us
to trace/reuse building outlines :-) like in Brussels
Region.<br>
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<div>Open data and Open source are two orthogonal subjects,
one can proces opendata with closed source software or
closed data with open source software. We have a
preference for software under free licenses, but everybody
should be able/allowed to use whatever software they
please and can afford as long as they comply with the
licenses.<br>
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<div>Jo<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2014-03-15 11:53 GMT+01:00 Ben
Abelshausen <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ben.abelshausen@gmail.com"
target="_blank">ben.abelshausen@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
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<div>First of all Julien: thanks for all your hard
work and enthusiasm in taking on this task! :-)<br>
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<div><br>
I think it is pretty obvious that we would want to
promote usage of open-source as well but I think
this is something that is not the task of our
community.<br>
<br>
We can recommend using open-source tools but the
argument against opening data cannot ever be
'open-data is not possible because then we would
have to use open-source software'. I think we should
be very very clear that these two are different. An
excel document with nice juicy open-data is still a
good thing.<br>
<br>
But we can still recommend using open-source tools,
we just have to be careful about how this is done in
this document.<br>
<br>
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<div>Also: We should be careful about positioning the
OSM project in Belgium as a project that wants to
collect/incorporate open-data sets. We are about
collecting data in the form of mapping the world,
not about collecting open-geo-data sets. That was an
argument for me to join everything with OKFN into
one document.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Met vriendelijke groeten,<br>
Best regards,<br>
<br>
Ben Abelshausen</div>
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