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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2014-05-03 02:08, André Pirard wrote
:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi,<br>
<br>
No reply to my former e-mail. Are the bugs I discover forwarded
to SPW?<br>
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No. It looks like I am the only person interested in the correct
working of SPW data.<br>
So, I wrote a personal complaint to the SPW, quoted below.<br>
I make a long description of the problems, in short: it does not
work.<br>
The answer was, as short as possible: we know it doesn't work.<br>
And, as I explained before, it may last 5 years.<br>
And the TEC does not respond to error reports in their data.<br>
There seems to be no line numbers in the data maps, neither Lignes
nor Poteaux.<br>
Or does anyone know?<br>
The OSM.org Transport Map layer does not show our bus lines.<br>
They could have been a good substitute of Google Maps, wouldn't
they?<br>
Etc.<br>
<br>
I made more manageable <a
href="http://www.papou.byethost9.com/maps/TEC/">split copies of my
OSM files here</a>:<br>
TEC_2014_04_Poteaux_?.osm.bz2 with ?=Province or Charleroi and
luXemburg.<br>
<br>
I made an Imagery picture for JOSM <a
href="http://www.infotec.be/Medeplacer/Plandur%C3%A9seau.aspx">from
here</a>. It was very queer to try to calibrate it.<br>
Either the map is Middle-Aged or they distorted it, especially the
Meuse course at Jemeppe.<br>
But Julien will probably pop up and say that we cannot copy that
data.<br>
And so, where did the bus stop name with the same mistake as TEC's
come from?<br>
And the line numbers and the rest?<br>
<br>
Well, in answer to Julien's "let's start": I tried, but I'm afraid I
must stop.<br>
Especially talking alone.<br>
Maybe adding a few bus lines after Champs Libres' comparison data by
the end of May.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
<br>
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<blockquote cite="mid:53643379.7090809@gmail.com" type="cite">
<div class="moz-cite-prefix"> In addition to the 403 error
reported below, I can see no data <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://geoportail.wallonie.be/walonmap/#ADU=http://geodata.tec-wl.be/arcgis/rest/services/Lignes/MapServer">in
the online browser</a>.<br>
A wheel spins and turns to a red cross after a timeout. No bus
lines.<br>
Has anybody seen this this data yet? I would like to know if
the lines are numbered.<br>
Also, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://geoportail.wallonie.be/geocatalogue?&search-text=TEC">http://geoportail.wallonie.be/geocatalogue?&search-text=TEC</a>
returns no selection.<br>
<br>
As there will probably never be a (correctly working) TEC WMS
server for JOSM...<br>
Not even a reply to my suggestions.<br>
<br>
I stored a <b>TEC_2014_04.gpx</b> @ <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Papou/traces/1698225">http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Papou/traces/1698225</a><br>
It can be used as a JOSM layer to display the TEC data at the
same time as the OSM map. <br>
Please rename it back to original filename; Customize it e.g.
yellow width 2.<br>
<br>
I have also made a <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.papou.byethost9.com/maps/TEC/"><b>TEC_2014_04.osm</b></a>,
but to be used as an alternating display.<br>
That's because two osm layers are not designed to display at the
same time by JOSM.<br>
But parts of it can be merged to any layer, e.g. to extract and
distribute à la tasking manager.<br>
With JOSM, the tags of one TEC node can be very easily be copied
and pasted to an OSM node.<br>
I made the following TEC => OSM tag conversion.<br>
POT_NOM_HA => name<br>
POT_ID => ref<br>
POT_ZONE_T => zone<br>
They are full of Osmose detectable or not mistakes with missing
accents on uppercase letters.<br>
<br>
Any comment welcome.<br>
I'll make any improvement when the above bug will be fixed.<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Please, do not batch import ! </pre>
I saw in the previous version a lot of mistakes, comparing
data to Bing! Imagery and also to Walloon's orthophotos. We
may be more accurate than the original data :-)<br>
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</blockquote>
Import what?<br>
We are certainly not going to replace OSM ways with TEC ways!<br>
As to the bus stop nodes, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1645537259#map=19/50.53943/5.65284">at
this place, they are on each side of the crossing</a> but the
TEC map locates them on the other, same side. The stop location
is rough and OSM puts it right in the shelter.<br>
As to the name, I wrote the TEC in June 2012 that it is not
"Heid des Chênes" but "Haie des Chênes" and they still use the
wrong name.<br>
<div class="box last">
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<div class="box-col1">
<div class="metaContent toolTip"
id="quality_spatialRepLineage">Généalogie du jeu de
données</div>
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<div class="box-col2">Sélection manuelle de tronçons
TomTom.<br>
4 attributs sont disponibles pour l'instant : le code de
la ligne, le TEC propriétaire, le numéro de la ligne et
le nom de la ligne. </div>
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Should we suggest TEC to replace TomTom with OSM? ;-)<br>
<br>
SPW are epic!<br>
<br>
In sh'Allah ;-)<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
<br>
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On 2014-04-27 01:00, André Pirard wrote :<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2014-04-25 08:26, Julien Fastré
wrote :<br>
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<pre wrap="">Hi !
Good news ! (Alleluia :-) )
The TEC is publishing now data under Open Data Licence !
On geoportail.wallonie.be, the data "Poteaux d'arrêts" (bus stop) and
"ligne de bus" (bus lines) are now under CC BY-SA 4.0 international
Licence :
<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://geoportail.wallonie.be/geocatalogue?mdUUID=47676af7-aab3-4d2e-9c9c-cd86e7ad7241">http://geoportail.wallonie.be/geocatalogue?mdUUID=47676af7-aab3-4d2e-9c9c-cd86e7ad7241</a>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://geoportail.wallonie.be/geocatalogue?mdUUID=a5dc5bc7-3c37-4783-9c41-27ce2f83f3ae">http://geoportail.wallonie.be/geocatalogue?mdUUID=a5dc5bc7-3c37-4783-9c41-27ce2f83f3ae</a>
The schedules are also available here :
<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://opendata.awt.be/organization/groupe-tec">http://opendata.awt.be/organization/groupe-tec</a> (in a "Belgian format"...
glups... I still haven't opened it yet).
We are now allowed to import those data's in OSM.
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Thanks Julien.<br>
I'd gladly add this to my list of JOSM imagery sites but I see
no WMS configuration.<br>
Is there a JOSM configuration?<br>
<br>
If I try to look at the Arcgis configuration you mention<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://geodata.tec-wl.be/arcgis/rest/services/Poteaux/MapServer">http://geodata.tec-wl.be/arcgis/rest/services/Poteaux/MapServer</a><br>
<div class="metaContentMotsClesEnLigne"> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://geodata.tec-wl.be/arcgis/rest/services/Lignes/MapServer">http://geodata.tec-wl.be/arcgis/rest/services/Lignes/MapServer</a>
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I get a 403 error.<br>
How can it be used?<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:535A002D.8050104@fastre.info" type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Please, do not batch import ! </pre>
I saw in the previous version a lot of mistakes, comparing
data to Bing! Imagery and also to Walloon's orthophotos. We
may be more accurate than the original data :-)</blockquote>
What about importing the data to a TEC.osm file, splitting this
file into pieces to distribute to volunteers that would use JOSM
to overlay them on top of OSM and other maps, rectify them
subpiece by subpieces and move them to the OSM layer to update?
I see <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.google.be/#&q=osm+import+tasking+manager">references
to OSM import tasking managers</a>.<br>
<br>
I'm glad to learn that the Walloon othophotos can be used to
check, understand and put right other maps.<br>
I never fully understood the only phrase of <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://geoportail.wallonie.be/mentions-legales.html">their
terms</a> that seems to apply to us.<br>
What does "ligne graphique" mean?<br>
Can a SPW map be used to rectify another SPW map? ;-)<br>
<br>
Beware of Bing! !!! It has an offset error at high zoom in many
places responsible for many OSM imprecisions.<br>
The recently mentioned Mapbox seems to have the same images as
Bing! but with a different offset.<br>
I didn't check (yet) if it exhibits the same errors as Bing!<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:535A002D.8050104@fastre.info" type="cite">At
Champs Libres, we are planning to provide an online
"comparator" from TEC data to OSM data, using the old and new
public transport schema. This will allow to see where are
missing bus stops, where they are mispelled, etc. We will do
it during May.<br>
</blockquote>
If the SPW keeps not making a WMS server, what about making a
Champs Libres proxy serving WMS?<br>
This would allow doing what you say together with OSM updates
while staying in the same JOSM window.<br>
<br>
Cheers, <br>
<br>
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<b>Envoyé :</b> mercredi 7 mai 2014 19:03<br>
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<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://geoportail.wallonie.be/en/home/geocatalogue.html?search-theme=theme_30&search-subtheme=soustheme_3099"
title="Autres mobilités">Autres mobilités</a> <o:p></o:p></p>
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je clique sur <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://geoportail.wallonie.be/en/home/geocatalogue.html?search-theme=theme_30&search-subtheme=soustheme_3040"
title="Transports en commun"> Transports en commun</a> et
je trouve une liste vide ainsi que le message<br>
Votre recherche n'a donné aucun résultat. Merci d'effectuer
une nouvelle recherche en précisant vos critères.<br>
Je fais la recherche <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://geoportail.wallonie.be/geocatalogue?&search-text=TEC">
http://geoportail.wallonie.be/geocatalogue?&search-text=TEC</a>
sans résultat.<br>
Je m'aperçois ensuite que le Géocatalogue est complètement
vide.<br>
<br>
Je trouve alors en dehors de votre site les liens que je
cherche: <br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<pre><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://geoportail.wallonie.be/geocatalogue?mdUUID=47676af7-aab3-4d2e-9c9c-cd86e7ad7241">http://geoportail.wallonie.be/geocatalogue?mdUUID=47676af7-aab3-4d2e-9c9c-cd86e7ad7241</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://geoportail.wallonie.be/geocatalogue?mdUUID=a5dc5bc7-3c37-4783-9c41-27ce2f83f3ae">http://geoportail.wallonie.be/geocatalogue?mdUUID=a5dc5bc7-3c37-4783-9c41-27ce2f83f3ae</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
<p class="MsoNormal">Mais quand je veux ouvrir <o:p></o:p></p>
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- Service(s) de visualisation<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">(<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://geodata.tec-wl.be/arcgis/rest/services/Poteaux/MapServer">http://geodata.tec-wl.be/arcgis/rest/services/Poteaux/MapServer</a>)
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- Service(s) de visualisation<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">(<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://geodata.tec-wl.be/arcgis/rest/services/Lignes/MapServer">http://geodata.tec-wl.be/arcgis/rest/services/Lignes/MapServer</a>)
<o:p></o:p></p>
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j'obtiens une erreur 403<br>
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et quand je veux ouvrir les cartes,<o:p></o:p></p>
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- Application WalOnMap - Toute la Wallonie à la carte<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">(<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://geoportail.wallonie.be/walonmap/#ADU=http://geodata.tec-wl.be/arcgis/rest/services/Lignes/MapServer">http://geoportail.wallonie.be/walonmap/#ADU=http://geodata.tec-wl.be/arcgis/rest/services/Lignes/MapServer</a>)
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- Application WalOnMap - Toute la Wallonie
à la carte<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">(<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://geoportail.wallonie.be/walonmap/#ADU=http://geodata.tec-wl.be/arcgis/rest/services/Poteaux/MapServer">http://geoportail.wallonie.be/walonmap/#ADU=http://geodata.tec-wl.be/arcgis/rest/services/Poteaux/MapServer</a>)
<o:p></o:p></p>
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Une roue tourne et se transforme en croix rouge et il n'y a
pas de carte du tout.<br>
<br>
Merci de corriger ces problèmes pour donner accès à ces
données.<br>
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Merci d'avance,<br>
Bien à vous,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">André Pirard.<o:p></o:p></p>
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Toute utilisation non sollicitée de mes données personnelles <br>
ne peut se faire qu'après mon autorisation explicite par
écrit. <o:p></o:p></p>
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