<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi André,<br><br>I'm trying to download the .OSM file you created. Why don't you put it on dropbox if you don't want to host it on your own server?<br><br></div><div>It is normal that the positions TEC has for their stops will need to be adapted to become suitable for OSM. The problem is then, how do we now which one serves for which direction? With the data of De Lijn we were lucky that they are positioned relatively well on each side of the road.<br>
<br></div><div>Anyway, I'd like to have a look at the data and start adding stops for line 20 Wavre-LLN, 1 Express LLN-Jodoigne and 18 Jodoigne-Leuven. For 18 I had already added 1 variation of the route, but yesterday the bus I took went on another roundabout.<br>
</div><div><br></div>Jo<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-05-03 2:08 GMT+02:00 André Pirard <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:A.Pirard.Papou@gmail.com" target="_blank">A.Pirard.Papou@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
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<div>Hi,<br>
<br>
No reply to my former e-mail. Are the bugs I discover forwarded to
SPW?<br>
In addition to the 403 error reported below, I can see no data <a href="http://geoportail.wallonie.be/walonmap/#ADU=http://geodata.tec-wl.be/arcgis/rest/services/Lignes/MapServer" target="_blank">in
the online browser</a>.<br>
A wheel spins and turns to a red cross after a timeout. No bus
lines.<br>
Has anybody seen this this data yet? I would like to know if the
lines are numbered.<br>
Also, <a href="http://geoportail.wallonie.be/geocatalogue?&search-text=TEC" target="_blank">http://geoportail.wallonie.be/geocatalogue?&search-text=TEC</a>
returns no selection.<br>
<br>
As there will probably never be a (correctly working) TEC WMS
server for JOSM...<br>
Not even a reply to my suggestions.<br>
<br>
I stored a <b>TEC_2014_04.gpx</b> @ <a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Papou/traces/1698225" target="_blank">http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Papou/traces/1698225</a><br>
It can be used as a JOSM layer to display the TEC data at the same
time as the OSM map. <br>
Please rename it back to original filename; Customize it e.g.
yellow width 2.<br>
<br>
I have also made a <a href="http://www.papou.byethost9.com/maps/TEC/" target="_blank"><b>TEC_2014_04.osm</b></a>,
but to be used as an alternating display.<br>
That's because two osm layers are not designed to display at the
same time by JOSM.<br>
But parts of it can be merged to any layer, e.g. to extract and
distribute à la tasking manager.<br>
With JOSM, the tags of one TEC node can be very easily be copied
and pasted to an OSM node.<br>
I made the following TEC => OSM tag conversion.<br>
POT_NOM_HA => name<br>
POT_ID => ref<br>
POT_ZONE_T => zone<br>
They are full of Osmose detectable or not mistakes with missing
accents on uppercase letters.<br>
<br>
Any comment welcome.<br>
I'll make any improvement when the above bug will be fixed.<div class=""><br>
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<pre>Please, do not batch import ! </pre>
I saw in the previous version a lot of mistakes, comparing
data to Bing! Imagery and also to Walloon's orthophotos. We
may be more accurate than the original data :-)<br>
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Import what?<br>
We are certainly not going to replace OSM ways with TEC ways!<br>
As to the bus stop nodes, <a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1645537259#map=19/50.53943/5.65284" target="_blank">at
this place, they are on each side of the crossing</a> but the
TEC map locates them on the other, same side. The stop location is
rough and OSM puts it right in the shelter.<br>
As to the name, I wrote the TEC in June 2012 that it is not "Heid
des Chênes" but "Haie des Chênes" and they still use the wrong
name.<br>
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<div>Généalogie du jeu de
données</div>
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<div>Sélection manuelle de tronçons TomTom.<br>
4 attributs sont disponibles pour l'instant : le code de
la ligne, le TEC propriétaire, le numéro de la ligne et le
nom de la ligne. </div>
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Should we suggest TEC to replace TomTom with OSM? ;-)<br>
<br>
SPW are epic!<br>
<br>
In sh'Allah ;-)<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
<br>
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On 2014-04-27 01:00, André Pirard wrote :<br>
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<div>On 2014-04-25 08:26, Julien Fastré
wrote :<br>
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<pre>Hi !
Good news ! (Alleluia :-) )
The TEC is publishing now data under Open Data Licence !
On <a href="http://geoportail.wallonie.be" target="_blank">geoportail.wallonie.be</a>, the data "Poteaux d'arrêts" (bus stop) and
"ligne de bus" (bus lines) are now under CC BY-SA 4.0 international
Licence :
<a href="http://geoportail.wallonie.be/geocatalogue?mdUUID=47676af7-aab3-4d2e-9c9c-cd86e7ad7241" target="_blank">http://geoportail.wallonie.be/geocatalogue?mdUUID=47676af7-aab3-4d2e-9c9c-cd86e7ad7241</a>
<a href="http://geoportail.wallonie.be/geocatalogue?mdUUID=a5dc5bc7-3c37-4783-9c41-27ce2f83f3ae" target="_blank">http://geoportail.wallonie.be/geocatalogue?mdUUID=a5dc5bc7-3c37-4783-9c41-27ce2f83f3ae</a>
The schedules are also available here :
<a href="http://opendata.awt.be/organization/groupe-tec" target="_blank">http://opendata.awt.be/organization/groupe-tec</a> (in a "Belgian format"...
glups... I still haven't opened it yet).
We are now allowed to import those data's in OSM.
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Thanks Julien.<br>
I'd gladly add this to my list of JOSM imagery sites but I see no
WMS configuration.<br>
Is there a JOSM configuration?<br>
<br>
If I try to look at the Arcgis configuration you mention<br>
<a href="http://geodata.tec-wl.be/arcgis/rest/services/Poteaux/MapServer" target="_blank">http://geodata.tec-wl.be/arcgis/rest/services/Poteaux/MapServer</a><br>
<div> <a href="http://geodata.tec-wl.be/arcgis/rest/services/Lignes/MapServer" target="_blank">http://geodata.tec-wl.be/arcgis/rest/services/Lignes/MapServer</a>
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I get a 403 error.<br>
How can it be used?<br>
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<pre>Please, do not batch import ! </pre>
I saw in the previous version a lot of mistakes, comparing data
to Bing! Imagery and also to Walloon's orthophotos. We may be
more accurate than the original data :-)</blockquote>
What about importing the data to a TEC.osm file, splitting this
file into pieces to distribute to volunteers that would use JOSM
to overlay them on top of OSM and other maps, rectify them
subpiece by subpieces and move them to the OSM layer to update? I
see <a href="https://www.google.be/#&q=osm+import+tasking+manager" target="_blank">references
to OSM import tasking managers</a>.<br>
<br>
I'm glad to learn that the Walloon othophotos can be used to
check, understand and put right other maps.<br>
I never fully understood the only phrase of <a href="http://geoportail.wallonie.be/mentions-legales.html" target="_blank">their
terms</a> that seems to apply to us.<br>
What does "ligne graphique" mean?<br>
Can a SPW map be used to rectify another SPW map? ;-)<br>
<br>
Beware of Bing! !!! It has an offset error at high zoom in many
places responsible for many OSM imprecisions.<br>
The recently mentioned Mapbox seems to have the same images as
Bing! but with a different offset.<br>
I didn't check (yet) if it exhibits the same errors as Bing!<br>
<blockquote type="cite">At
Champs Libres, we are planning to provide an online "comparator"
from TEC data to OSM data, using the old and new public
transport schema. This will allow to see where are missing bus
stops, where they are mispelled, etc. We will do it during May.<br>
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If the SPW keeps not making a WMS server, what about making a
Champs Libres proxy serving WMS?<br>
This would allow doing what you say together with OSM updates
while staying in the same JOSM window.<br>
<br>
Cheers, <br>
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