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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2014-06-07 09:01, Jo wrote :<br>
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<div>Hi André,<br>
<br>
I'm trying to download the .OSM file you created. Why don't
you put it on dropbox if you don't want to host it on your own
server?<br>
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Hi Jo,<br>
<br>
I don't put files on dropbox because, I think, the name changes when
they are updated.<br>
They are on my server all-right, but I have temporarily renamed the
directory because:<br>
<br>
Mainly, the data has no line numbers and I can't imagine a bus line
map without line numbers.<br>
Also because I wrote (below) the options I used for the tags <br>
<blockquote type="cite">I made the following TEC => OSM tag
conversion.<br>
POT_NOM_HA => name<br>
POT_ID => ref<br>
POT_ZONE_T => zone<br>
They are full of Osmose detectable or not mistakes with missing
accents on uppercase letters.<br>
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and absolutely nobody replied, showing a total lack of interest for
what I did and for using uniform conventions.<br>
<br>
In particular, the TEC data is invalid for OSM because it contains
municipality names in uppercase and full of spelling mistakes
because the names have no accents (can you spell CHENEE, FLORZE and
a full line of that).<br>
So, we have to decide if we risk plenty of Osmose errors, or if we
lowercase the municipality named and correct all the spelling
mistakes or if we remove that name from the tag as the present
tagging does.<br>
<br>
I made my files compatible with what I examined of the present
tagging.<br>
<br>
When I last looked at this document, <br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Mapping_resources/TEC">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Mapping_resources/TEC</a>
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I saw that it disregards compatibility with what has been done
already.<br>
<br>
So, in short, I am waiting for a discussion to start and decide what
tags to put in my data before releasing it.<br>
<br>
And I recommend to contact TEC and ask if we could have data with
line numbers any time soon.<br>
<br>
Comparison data below.<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
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On 2014-05-10 19:08, Jo wrote :<br>
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<div>... If you'd like to bus stops, there are still around
4000 in Flanders which need to be added.<br>
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It involves looking up the zone information and checking the
position on AGIV imagery.<br>
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You can find the latest version of the converted data here:<br>
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<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/jv675c51de33egi/DL.osm.zip">https://www.dropbox.com/s/jv675c51de33egi/DL.osm.zip</a><br>
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<br>
De Lijn's data:<br>
<br>
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<th class="browse-tag-k">from</th>
<td class="browse-tag-v">Aalst Station Perron 5</td>
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<tr>
<th class="browse-tag-k"><a
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:name?uselang=en"
title="The wiki description page for the name tag">name</a></th>
<td class="browse-tag-v">De Lijn 213 Aalst Station - Brussel
Noord</td>
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<th class="browse-tag-k"><a
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:operator?uselang=en"
title="The wiki description page for the operator tag">operator</a></th>
<td class="browse-tag-v">De Lijn</td>
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<th class="browse-tag-k"><a
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:ref?uselang=en"
title="The wiki description page for the ref tag">ref</a></th>
<td class="browse-tag-v">213</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<th class="browse-tag-k"><a
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:route?uselang=en"
title="The wiki description page for the route tag">route</a></th>
<td class="browse-tag-v"><a
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:route=bus?uselang=en"
title="The wiki description page for the route=bus tag">bus</a></td>
</tr>
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<th class="browse-tag-k">to</th>
<td class="browse-tag-v">Brussel Noord Perron 2</td>
</tr>
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<th class="browse-tag-k"><a
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:type?uselang=en"
title="The wiki description page for the type tag">type</a></th>
<td class="browse-tag-v">route</td>
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<blockquote type="cite">bus=yes<br>
created_by=BRUSSELSESTEENWEG ASSE<br>
highway=bus_stop<br>
name=Asse Ten Berg<br>
operator=De Lijn<br>
public_transport=platform<br>
ref=300215<br>
route_ref=213;214;215;216<br>
zone=13</blockquote>
My tags are as follows.<br>
<blockquote type="cite">what I translated from TEC:<br>
name=CHENEE Gare<br>
ref=Lcegare2<br>
zone=5820<br>
<br>
what I added:<br>
highway=bus_stop<br>
operator=TEC<br>
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what is to add:<br>
bus=yes<br>
public_transport=platform<br>
<br>
source=2014-4 TEC<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2014-05-03 2:08 GMT+02:00 André Pirard
<span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:A.Pirard.Papou@gmail.com" target="_blank">A.Pirard.Papou@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
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<div>Hi,<br>
<br>
No reply to my former e-mail. Are the bugs I discover
forwarded to SPW?<br>
In addition to the 403 error reported below, I can see
no data <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://geoportail.wallonie.be/walonmap/#ADU=http://geodata.tec-wl.be/arcgis/rest/services/Lignes/MapServer"
target="_blank">in the online browser</a>.<br>
A wheel spins and turns to a red cross after a timeout.
No bus lines.<br>
Has anybody seen this this data yet? I would like to
know if the lines are numbered.<br>
Also, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://geoportail.wallonie.be/geocatalogue?&search-text=TEC"
target="_blank">http://geoportail.wallonie.be/geocatalogue?&search-text=TEC</a>
returns no selection.<br>
<br>
As there will probably never be a (correctly working)
TEC WMS server for JOSM...<br>
Not even a reply to my suggestions.<br>
<br>
I stored a <b>TEC_2014_04.gpx</b> @ <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Papou/traces/1698225"
target="_blank">http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Papou/traces/1698225</a><br>
It can be used as a JOSM layer to display the TEC data
at the same time as the OSM map. <br>
Please rename it back to original filename; Customize
it e.g. yellow width 2.<br>
<br>
I have also made a <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.papou.byethost9.com/maps/TEC/"
target="_blank"><b>TEC_2014_04.osm</b></a>, but to be
used as an alternating display.<br>
That's because two osm layers are not designed to
display at the same time by JOSM.<br>
But parts of it can be merged to any layer, e.g. to
extract and distribute à la tasking manager.<br>
With JOSM, the tags of one TEC node can be very easily
be copied and pasted to an OSM node.<br>
I made the following TEC => OSM tag conversion.<br>
POT_NOM_HA => name<br>
POT_ID => ref<br>
POT_ZONE_T => zone<br>
They are full of Osmose detectable or not mistakes with
missing accents on uppercase letters.<br>
<br>
Any comment welcome.<br>
I'll make any improvement when the above bug will be
fixed.
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<pre>Please, do not batch import ! </pre>
I saw in the previous version a lot of mistakes,
comparing data to Bing! Imagery and also to
Walloon's orthophotos. We may be more accurate
than the original data :-)<br>
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Import what?<br>
We are certainly not going to replace OSM ways with TEC
ways!<br>
As to the bus stop nodes, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1645537259#map=19/50.53943/5.65284"
target="_blank">at this place, they are on each side
of the crossing</a> but the TEC map locates them on
the other, same side. The stop location is rough and OSM
puts it right in the shelter.<br>
As to the name, I wrote the TEC in June 2012 that it is
not "Heid des Chênes" but "Haie des Chênes" and they
still use the wrong name.<br>
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<div>Généalogie du jeu de données</div>
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<div>Sélection manuelle de tronçons TomTom.<br>
4 attributs sont disponibles pour l'instant : le
code de la ligne, le TEC propriétaire, le numéro
de la ligne et le nom de la ligne. </div>
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Should we suggest TEC to replace TomTom with OSM? ;-)<br>
<br>
SPW are epic!<br>
<br>
In sh'Allah ;-)<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
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On 2014-04-27 01:00, André Pirard wrote :<br>
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<div>On 2014-04-25 08:26, Julien Fastré wrote :<br>
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<pre>Hi !
Good news ! (Alleluia :-) )
The TEC is publishing now data under Open Data Licence !
On <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://geoportail.wallonie.be" target="_blank">geoportail.wallonie.be</a>, the data "Poteaux d'arrêts" (bus stop) and
"ligne de bus" (bus lines) are now under CC BY-SA 4.0 international
Licence :
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://geoportail.wallonie.be/geocatalogue?mdUUID=47676af7-aab3-4d2e-9c9c-cd86e7ad7241" target="_blank">http://geoportail.wallonie.be/geocatalogue?mdUUID=47676af7-aab3-4d2e-9c9c-cd86e7ad7241</a>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://geoportail.wallonie.be/geocatalogue?mdUUID=a5dc5bc7-3c37-4783-9c41-27ce2f83f3ae" target="_blank">http://geoportail.wallonie.be/geocatalogue?mdUUID=a5dc5bc7-3c37-4783-9c41-27ce2f83f3ae</a>
The schedules are also available here :
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://opendata.awt.be/organization/groupe-tec" target="_blank">http://opendata.awt.be/organization/groupe-tec</a> (in a "Belgian format"...
glups... I still haven't opened it yet).
We are now allowed to import those data's in OSM.
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Thanks Julien.<br>
I'd gladly add this to my list of JOSM imagery sites
but I see no WMS configuration.<br>
Is there a JOSM configuration?<br>
<br>
If I try to look at the Arcgis configuration you
mention<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://geodata.tec-wl.be/arcgis/rest/services/Poteaux/MapServer"
target="_blank">http://geodata.tec-wl.be/arcgis/rest/services/Poteaux/MapServer</a><br>
<div> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://geodata.tec-wl.be/arcgis/rest/services/Lignes/MapServer"
target="_blank">http://geodata.tec-wl.be/arcgis/rest/services/Lignes/MapServer</a>
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I get a 403 error.<br>
How can it be used?<br>
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<pre>Please, do not batch import ! </pre>
I saw in the previous version a lot of mistakes,
comparing data to Bing! Imagery and also to
Walloon's orthophotos. We may be more accurate
than the original data :-)</blockquote>
What about importing the data to a TEC.osm file,
splitting this file into pieces to distribute to
volunteers that would use JOSM to overlay them on
top of OSM and other maps, rectify them subpiece by
subpieces and move them to the OSM layer to update?
I see <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.google.be/#&q=osm+import+tasking+manager"
target="_blank">references to OSM import tasking
managers</a>.<br>
<br>
I'm glad to learn that the Walloon othophotos can be
used to check, understand and put right other maps.<br>
I never fully understood the only phrase of <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://geoportail.wallonie.be/mentions-legales.html"
target="_blank">their terms</a> that seems to
apply to us.<br>
What does "ligne graphique" mean?<br>
Can a SPW map be used to rectify another SPW map?
;-)<br>
<br>
Beware of Bing! !!! It has an offset error at high
zoom in many places responsible for many OSM
imprecisions.<br>
The recently mentioned Mapbox seems to have the same
images as Bing! but with a different offset.<br>
I didn't check (yet) if it exhibits the same errors
as Bing!<br>
<blockquote type="cite">At Champs Libres, we are
planning to provide an online "comparator" from
TEC data to OSM data, using the old and new public
transport schema. This will allow to see where are
missing bus stops, where they are mispelled, etc.
We will do it during May.<br>
</blockquote>
If the SPW keeps not making a WMS server, what about
making a Champs Libres proxy serving WMS?<br>
This would allow doing what you say together with
OSM updates while staying in the same JOSM window.<br>
<br>
Cheers, <br>
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