<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>Since I would prefer to keep things simple, or at least as simple as possible, I'd prefer to work with one file.<br><br>To indicate that a stop is not in Openstreetmap yet, I tag it with odbl=new when no stop with its ref is in the file I download from Overpass API.<br>
<br></div>This tag will be stripped automatically by JOSM before the data gets uploaded, just like the created_by tag which I use to make street names available to the person doing the import. They don't make sense in the Brabant-Wallon file, but they seem to have helpful information in the Charleroi file.<br>
<br></div>Since I'm a minimalist who'd prefer to put as few tags possible on stops, platforms, stop positions, shelters, benches and waste baskets, I'd prefer not to add source tags on each and every of the 70000x? objects we'll be adding to the DB. OK, I counted the stops of De Lijn in that number.<br>
<br></div>So I add source information on the changesets, which is the accepted practice nowadays, at least that's what I read on the imports list.<br><br></div><div>If you want to add such tags, you can open the file, Ctrl-a to select all objects. Add the tags you want and save the file.<br>
</div><div><br></div>Jo<br><div><br><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-06-23 11:58 GMT+02:00 André Pirard <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:A.Pirard.Papou@gmail.com" target="_blank">A.Pirard.Papou@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
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<div>On 2014-06-17 09:21, Marc Gemis wrote :<br>
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André Pirard <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:A.Pirard.Papou@gmail.com" target="_blank">A.Pirard.Papou@gmail.com</a>></span>
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<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">If you use <b>source=survey
2014-06 TEC 2014-04</b> in bus stops as I recommend,
you will both comply with the source requirement and be
sure to find the indication that they contain your
file's data and can be deleted from the
remaining-to-be-updated file.<br>
If an existing element does not contain <b>source=survey
2014-06</b><b> TEC 2014-04</b> or later, it will be
kept in the remaining-to-be-updated file. If a mapper
further updates the data, he is kindly requested to use
a new date such as <b>source=survey 2014-07</b> or <b>source=survey
<span><span>2014-06-21</span></span></b>
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Sorry, but this is not a survey, this is an import. IMHO, you
can only use survey when you go out and check the exact
position of the bus stop. A survey is not transforming data
from one database format into another. So please do not use
source=survey.</div></div></div>
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Sorry but it is an import <b>and</b> a survey.<br>
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<b>source=TEC 2014-04</b> relates to the import of the TEC's data<b>.
</b><b>source=TEC 2014-04</b> must be in TEC.osm.zip bus stops so
that the mapper copies it to OSM. When found in OSM, it means that
the bus stop can be removed from the file TEC.osm.zip which shows
the work that remains to do. Same process for future versions.<br>
<b><br>
source=survey 2014-xx</b> relates to the location, shelter, bench
tags etc. that the mapper will add at the time of the import or
later and it is a survey. It is the last time that this data was
verified and it helps mappers not to verify what has already been
verified.<br>
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There should also be a <b>TEC 2014-04.osm.zip</b> file containing
the original TEC data so that the user can compare that data with
the data he introduces, for example TEC's uppercase name and OSM's
lowercase name.<br>
There will be later files like <b>TEC 2014-10.osm.zip</b> at which
time a new TEC.osm.zip will be created containing the new changes
that must be applied.<br>
The user must also be able to see the lines drawn by TEC in case the
bus stops do not make the itinerary clear.<br>
Here is a file of mine:<br>
<a href="https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/ty49nmfdb2vfz4m/TEC_2014_04-Lignes.2.osm.bz2" target="_blank">https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/ty49nmfdb2vfz4m/TEC_2014_04-Lignes.2.osm.bz2</a><br>
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What remains to be done before we can make realistic updates:<br>
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<li>publish <b>TEC 2014-04.osm.zip</b> (= present TEC.osm.zip +
following tags)<br>
</li>
<li>add <b>source=TEC 2014-04</b> to <b>TEC 2014-04.osm.zip</b></li>
<li>add <b><b>source=survey 2014-0</b>4</b> to <b>TEC
2014-04.osm.zip</b></li>
<li>add website tag<br>
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<li>new TEC.osm.zip = <b>TEC 2014-04.osm.zip</b></li>
<li>new <b>TEC 2014-04.lines.osm.zip</b></li>
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<p>Please note that the particular syntax of the tags is moot.<br>
But, please, make propositions instead of saying what it must not
be (there are just too many).<br>
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<p>I can publish a "how to tag the bus stops" in the wiki page if
you like.<br>
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<div>On 2014-06-17 15:19, Ben Abelshausen
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<div><font color="#000000" face="sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12px;line-height:19.200000762939453px;background-color:rgb(249,249,249)">the
source should a) contain some reference to TEC,</span></font><br>
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And (a) is "Exactly!
" what <b>source=TEC 2014-04</b> was proposing.<div class=""><br>
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any aerial image you have used (probably Bing).</span></font>
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This is something that everybody knows, or should know. "Bing 2004"
or so, not "Bing".<div class=""><br>
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<div>"Survey" does mean explicitly that there was an actual
survey (meaning, going to each and every bus station to check
if it is there!):</div>
<div><a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Survey#How_to_use" target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Survey#How_to_use</a></div>
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That article does not define "Survey" explicitly. It says that it is
a survey.<br>
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<a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/survey" target="_blank">dictionary.reference.com</a><br>
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<div><div class=""><span><span>to</span>
<span>view</span> <span>in</span> <span>detail,</span>
<span>especially</span> <span>to</span> <span>inspect,</span>
<span>examine,</span> <span>or</span> <span>appraise</span> <span>formally</span> <span>or</span> <span>officially</span>
<span>in</span> <span>order</span> <span>to</span> <span>ascertain</span>
<span>condition,</span> <span>value,</span> <span>etc.<br>
</span></span></div><span><span>appraise: to</span>
<span>estimate</span>
<span>the</span> <span>nature,</span> <span>quality,</span> <span>importance,</span>
<span>etc.:</span> </span><br>
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Nothing in that says that the surveyor must travel. Any means to
ascertain the data is acceptable.<br>
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Cordialement,<br>
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